Originally posted by Honor93
reply to post by MrInquisitive
i have previously explained its relevance, in this thread and many others. if you really want to know, use the search engine provided
i keep mentioning it simply because the entire Southern region is blamed for what occurred regularly in the NORTH.
it was a labor industry ... the South profited from it, the North, used it mostly to comfort themselves, that's the biggest difference.
New York had the biggest, most recognized, weekly slave sale in the country.
this is not news.
even after Amendment 13, slavery did not end ... does Belle Moore ring a bell ?
in case you've never read these ... bibliographies: docsouth.unc.edu... ... you might want to.
skunk Hollow: palisadesny.com...
and if you're really interested about the history behind it all, you might want to give this a read ...
the Northern States didn't lead any such thing, the Churches did.
it may have begun in the North but it certainly wasn't exclusively a Northern thing.
and, there was no imaginary morality to it ... it was purely about 'control'.
btw, got any proof for who fired the first shots at Ft Sumpter ??
nah, don't bother, i know you don't and so should you.
Oh boy, now you are citing cases of illegal sex slavery in the US as evidence that slavery continued, unabated in the US. In the case you bring up,
the madame was charged with a crime and an additional statute, The Mann Act, was put on the books. To attempt to claim that slavery went on legally
and unchallenged after the 13th Amendment was ratified is simply false -- not to mention pathetic and possibly delusional. You're really doing
nothing for your arguments, champ.
Oh and proof of who fired first at Fort Sumpter? You gotta be kidding.
The last time I checked the
Charlestonians (sp?) celebrate this fact in Cival War re-enactments. The first shots were fired by cadets of The Citadel -- at a Union re-supply
boat. Forces under Beauregard had laid siege to Sumpter and demanded its surrender. This is all part of historical record; try reading about it
Elliott, Stephen, Jr. (1902). "Detailed report, September 12, 1863". Official Records of the Union and Confederate Navies in the War of the Rebellion,
Series I. (Washington, D.C.: Government Printing Office) 14: 637–9. Retrieved 2007-11-18.
Detzer, David R. (2001). Allegiance: Fort Sumter, Charleston and the Beginning of the Civil War. New York: Harcourt. ISBN 0-15-100641-5.
I might add that you could also look at newspaper articles from the time. I'd imagine the Charleston papers and other Southern papers touted the
firing on Ft. Sumpter, and gave the details of the incident. I've never heard anyone dispute who started firing on whom at Fort Sumpter -- not even
from Confederacy apologists/defenders. You're a first in this, ace.
I could ask you similarly for proof that the supposed signers of the Declaration of Independence actually did sign it; after all, it might have been
same agent provocateur ploy by His Majesty's government.
And your reason for bringing up New York's state's former slavery history is to prove that the South was alone in complicity for slavery? HELLO: New
York was a free state long before 1859, 1860 or 1861 and it did not secede from the Union, let alone raise arms against the Union. Truly, what
Bizarro-World do you inhabit? When did New York have the largest weekly slave auction? CLEARLY it was before 1827, but probably much earlier than
You have stooped to a new low with this post of yours, chief. You are either extremely delusional or just a troll of epic chutzpah. In any case I am
not going to bother to discuss anything more with you on this topic. Perhaps we are in more concord on Greys and Reptilians, or such, and could reach
accord on these or other matters, but somehow I doubt it...
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