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Vitamin C and Heart Disease Prevention: Another Conspiracy of Silence?

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posted on Dec, 7 2012 @ 01:04 AM
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posted on Dec, 7 2012 @ 01:15 AM
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Originally posted by SuperTripps
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Yup youngegity and dr wallach taught me about how crucial minerals and high dose vitamins are



I’m always learning something new. I’ve never heard of Dr. Joel Wallach and Youngevity.

They actually have something called an “Alex Jones Pack” and celeb endorsements like Suzanne Somers (I read somewhere she made millions hawking her Thighmaster).

Have you any interesting stories about their products?

So is this some multi-marketing scheme?

youngevity.net...

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posted on Dec, 7 2012 @ 02:23 AM
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Originally posted by AuranVector

Originally posted by Pardon?

Having been involved in cardio-vascular medicine for over a quarter of a century (I'm a cardiac physiologist, so no 'big pharma' ties)....

...Having flicked through the book you linked I see an alarming amount of testimonials....

Don't you find it strange that Pauling's "research" with vit C has never been able to be reproduced?


As a cardiac physiologist, you are a member of the Medical Establishment --- which most definitely has ties to Big Pharma -- they probably funded the research you do or did.

So you discount testimonials -- that doesn't surprise me. The first hand experiences of people who have tried alternative methods do not interest you. But they do interest me and other people, because we have our own experiences.

Dr. Pauling's research most definitely has been reproduced by people trying his recommendations.

I have first hand experiences of the value of mega-doses of Vitamin C.


I've only ever done in-house research without funding from external sources.
And if you knew what a physiologist does you would understand that even if we did have external funding it wouldn't be from pharma.

I always discount testimonials. They're not worth a thing. Anyone can write or say anything. There's never any data to back-up what that particular "person" has stated.

I notice you're still slating big pharma but have conveniently ignored the fact that Pauling's fudged his results as a direct result of a tie-in with big pharma ($$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$).

I'm talking about Pauling's "clinical study" results. You know, the one he fudged the results of.
So no, no-one's been able to replicate the results simply because they were faked.
Bur people like you ignore this and carry on regardless and even state these benefits based upon a fake study! Amazing!

I base what I think of "breakthroughs" like Rath's and also my belief what Rath is on my biochemical and physiological knowledge of the human body, not on what I read on websites.
Based upon what I know, Rath's a quack.


Keep your head firmly buried in the sand, you no doubt feel safe there.

Oh, feel free to label me however you wish to.
The bottom line is that I abhor quack medicine and it's purveyors.
With a passion.



posted on Dec, 7 2012 @ 02:35 AM
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There are fat soluble (spelling? that doesn't look right) vitamins and water soluble vitamins.

That's why if your toddler ate a bottle of "Flintstone's multiple vitamins" they could get poisoned.

Vit C is water soluble, Vit A is fat soluble.

You have to do some of your own research. Also, the manner in which other "anti-oxidants" are manufactured leaves a lot of questions.

Vitamin E used to be "the supplement" to take, not anymore.

Look at some of the research - not by big pharma - they will always steer you wrong.



posted on Dec, 7 2012 @ 03:41 AM
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Originally posted by AuranVector
I am convinced that Big Pharma is debilitating us with their drugs and it’s intentional.


Well, it's logical really.

They have no power over and cannot profit from a healthy population.

They are big business. The idea that they somehow care for us is a myth.

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posted on Dec, 7 2012 @ 11:25 AM
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Originally posted by AuranVector

Originally posted by halfoldman

... don't see Rath excluded from the global banking systems, and his material and products are available online to anyone who wants them.

Both Rath and big pharma sell vitamins, minerals and amino acids....



Where do you buy Dr. Rath's supplements? I have never even seen an ad for them anywhere.

The topic of this thread must have really hit a nerve for it to prompt two Establishment shills to post ten (10) detailed, long-winded posts railing against Dr. Rath.

I would never have predicted it. One never knows. Good for Dr. Matthias Rath.
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If you haven't seen Dr. Rath's advertising in some form then it's probably because he hasn't targeted the US lately ( I think since 2002, but I'm not sure).
These articles have been around for quite a while, although our experience in SA has been much more recent, and he was already a controversial figure when he arrived here.

His products however are easily available to anyone who wants them, and does a quick keyword search, for example: www.drrathvitamins.com... or www.betterlife.com...


The label of "shill" could point right back.

Exactly which vitamins are made by big pharma and their subsidiaries and which are not?
Until that's clarified you could be just as much of a shill for big pharma as the people you label and dismiss.
For all I know Rath could be your uncle or whatnot.
So these labels are really not arguments.

Apologies for my long-winded posts, but these are often made accusations against TAC and Zackie Achmat by people who know nothing about our history, and yes, I did put effort and research into it, even if you don't agree with my view.
For myself that meant more than sloganeering and labeling people who disagree.

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posted on Dec, 7 2012 @ 11:53 AM
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Thanks for the information.

It's much appreciated.

It is a bit vague and does beg the question and issue somewhat of what is big pharma and what is not big pharma when it comes to manufactured vitamins?

Research is great, but there is a lot of conflicting information on vitamins and supplements.

There's no guarantee that one person's research on the topic will coincide with that of another person.

People also come from different backgrounds and ailments, and I would not discount personal testimony at all.

Then, the media is always blowing in one direction or another.

One month you'll read in your favorite magazine that anti-oxidants increased risks of cancer, and the next month you'll read the opposite.

Just today I read in the Afrikaans magazine Huisgenoot (13 December 2012, p. 52) that a study published in the American Medical Association found that cancer was reduced by 8 percent amongst male American doctors older than 50 who used multivitamins.
The study focused on 14, 641 male doctors older than 50 over a 10 year period.



posted on Dec, 8 2012 @ 06:00 AM
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Originally posted by halfoldman

His products however are easily available to anyone who wants them, and does a quick keyword search, for example: www.drrathvitamins.com... or www.betterlife.com...



Thanks for finding these sites for me. They did not come up for me when I googled info on Dr. Rath.

The prices do not seem unreasonable -- pretty much standard prices for proprietary blends. I did not see Vitacell.

I have NO connection to Dr. Rath. I'm not a professional healer, I'm not in the wholistic healing industry.
I'm NOT selling anything.

I have a deep distrust of Big Pharma & the Medical Establishment.

I think the fatal mistake that Dr. Rath made is that he naively attacked Big Pharma publicly. That's pretty much like taking a bat and hitting a hornets nest with it. Now they will do their best to "sting" him to death with calumny.



posted on Dec, 8 2012 @ 06:06 AM
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Originally posted by halfoldman

...Just today I read in the Afrikaans magazine Huisgenoot (13 December 2012, p. 52) that a study published in the American Medical Association found that cancer was reduced by 8 percent amongst male American doctors older than 50 who used multivitamins.
The study focused on 14, 641 male doctors older than 50 over a 10 year period.


Now that is interesting.

Did the study keep track of which brands of multivitamins were being used by the test subjects?

Or was it one standardized multivitamin made just for the study?



posted on Dec, 8 2012 @ 06:11 AM
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Originally posted by NuclearPaul

Originally posted by AuranVector
I am convinced that Big Pharma is debilitating us with their drugs and it’s intentional.


Well, it's logical really.

They have no power over and cannot profit from a healthy population.

They are big business. The idea that they somehow care for us is a myth.



Excellent cartoon. I agree completely. As far as TPTB are concerned we are cannon fodder & slave labor.

And to add insult to injury, we are allowed the privilege of paying them to poison us.





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