Russia & NATO relations frosty.

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posted on Dec, 2 2012 @ 05:13 AM
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It is now fact that the friendship between Russia & NATO is as cold as it use to be in the cold war days.
Russia do not trust America & NATO, NATO are seeing war moves being made by Russia.
The situation over Syria has caused the freeze to worsen as Syria was a friend of Russia, Russia has it's ovly ship base outside Russia there too.

On top of that is America wont talk or reply to Russia about the European Missile defences NATO are putting in place, Russia are being side-lined.

On top of these concerns for Russia NATO does need a major war urgently simply because NATO countries inc America are bust money wise, without starting to make lots of tanks, ships etc there people are out of work, war makes jobs, o yes sorry folks but it does, look at 1939 it has worked before.




posted on Dec, 2 2012 @ 05:24 AM
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Originally posted by Alternative4u
It is now fact that the friendship between Russia & NATO is as cold as it use to be in the cold war days.
Russia do not trust America & NATO, NATO are seeing war moves being made by Russia.
The situation over Syria has caused the freeze to worsen as Syria was a friend of Russia, Russia has it's ovly ship base outside Russia there too.

On top of that is America wont talk or reply to Russia about the European Missile defences NATO are putting in place, Russia are being side-lined.

On top of these concerns for Russia NATO does need a major war urgently simply because NATO countries inc America are bust money wise, without starting to make lots of tanks, ships etc there people are out of work, war makes jobs, o yes sorry folks but it does, look at 1939 it has worked before.



It works short term by making money causing destruction... What's not understood is you get no return on any investment of tanks unless you keep using them over and over..

We need to make money by improving other's lives..

(Time)
(mining)
(farming)
(Energy)
(Information)

That is money.. That is Value.. Supporting jobs that shouldn't exist because they don't increase REAL money which are in ( ) above is a waste...


But no if NATO wants a war it won't be to "save economies" There is TOO much debt.. There is no way to repay it... I can't believe people sometimes.. You borrow money to print that money. It takes money to make money(pennies are worth some 6 cents in copper, then add man hours)... Think about that conundrum of an ever losing system.. Add to it that every piece of money is printed at a deficit by being borrowed at interest..

A dollar just means you're holding someone elses debt... You then trade debt for goods.. Whoever owns the debt takes risks as to the ability of the original debtor to pay it off. Debt trades hands until it's all quite obvious it's all a sham, and then whoever is left holding debt (dollars) won't get reimbursed...


If every country collected every dollar from every thing we could not pay all the banks debt off...

So no if there is a war it's not for the economy...
It's for a complete reset,
or global takeover...




I'm not super worried about WW 3 at the moment... But.. Who knows.
edit on 12/2/2012 by Dustytoad because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 2 2012 @ 06:50 AM
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I doubt that the Uk, Germany and France would agree to a war with Russia as that would be like punching your neighbour in the face, who happens to be a heavyweight boxing champion. And I doubt the US would get far without the support of Russia's neighbours. So whats left, Nuclear war?

I just dont see it happening at the moment.



posted on Dec, 2 2012 @ 11:07 AM
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Yes nice comments from this post, good level head people thank heavens, not many on sites today. But yes I have heard that there are more spy's in the UK now from China & Russia than ever before, not sure what they are soying on, apart from a few of UK/Russian/China spys are ending up dead over the last few months, so some odd stuff going on.



posted on Dec, 2 2012 @ 11:15 AM
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While NATO and Russia do have somethngs they do not agree on globaly it is nothing that they would go to war over. Russia remains in NATOs parthership for peace and conducts joint militray excercises with NATO and the US. In fact they work together on many issues. What will be interesting to watch is if China manages to get through the hard times ahead and come through it as a modern power is how quickly Russia joins NATO. I see that as pretty likely unless China falls apart.



posted on Dec, 2 2012 @ 12:36 PM
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Really? The military cooperation between Russia/CIS and NATO has never been greater.


Russian Navy in First Ever RIMPAC Exercise

en.rian.ru...

The Russian Navy held joint military exercises with Norway and the U.S. in the Norwegian Sea

www.arctic-info.com...

Russian Warship Sails to Baltic Sea for NATO Naval Drills

en.rian.ru...

Sea Phase of IONIEX-2012 Held in Ionian Sea

rusnavy.com...

Russian Sub To Join NATO Exercise for 1st Time

www.defensenews.com...

NATO-Russia Council holds Cooperative Airspace Initiative exercise

www.nato.int...

NATO and Russia hold theatre missile defence exercise

www.nato.int...



posted on Dec, 2 2012 @ 01:34 PM
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Originally posted by Alternative4u
Yes nice comments from this post, good level head people thank heavens, not many on sites today. But yes I have heard that there are more spy's in the UK now from China & Russia than ever before, not sure what they are soying on, apart from a few of UK/Russian/China spys are ending up dead over the last few months, so some odd stuff going on.


Heya - have you got any links to that stuff? Did Russians and Chinese?



posted on Dec, 2 2012 @ 01:48 PM
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Russia and America are tied at the hip and have been since Lincoln got the entire Russian Atlantic and Pacific Naval fleets in Union ports to kill off half of America.

When the Democratic Party in the US "accidentally" put pictures of Russian ships as the backdrop of their convention....was no accident. They were reminding the other half of America to fall in line or Obama would repeat Lincoln and get Russia's help again to kill them off.


Watch for the white boyz countries to band together again and repeat the "Boxer Rebellion" sometime soon.



posted on Dec, 2 2012 @ 04:14 PM
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Originally posted by tommyjo
reply to post by Alternative4u
 


Really? The military cooperation between Russia/CIS and NATO has never been greater.


Russian Navy in First Ever RIMPAC Exercise

en.rian.ru...

The Russian Navy held joint military exercises with Norway and the U.S. in the Norwegian Sea

www.arctic-info.com...

Russian Warship Sails to Baltic Sea for NATO Naval Drills

en.rian.ru...

Sea Phase of IONIEX-2012 Held in Ionian Sea

rusnavy.com...

Russian Sub To Join NATO Exercise for 1st Time

www.defensenews.com...

NATO-Russia Council holds Cooperative Airspace Initiative exercise

www.nato.int...

NATO and Russia hold theatre missile defence exercise

www.nato.int...




Really ? Yes really ! Great way to find chinks in the enemies armour ,without even firing a shot or declaring intesion's.



posted on Dec, 2 2012 @ 04:32 PM
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Nato is an abberation. It should be disbanded but instead ganged up on Russia. Luckily Russia is big enough defend herself or else she'd be in deep sh!te,

Now, why the hell is NATO in Afghanistan ? Does Afghanistan borders any Nato countries ?


Russia should get into their cold war mentality and prepares to roll them over.



posted on Dec, 3 2012 @ 05:03 AM
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I am positive we are headed for breakout of global war.

Probably as an escalation of the coming Iran/Syrian invasions (which have already occurred in a sense, in respect to Black projects in Iran and Syria)

And this proves if it happens it wont be pretty!





(Insert deity here) Save us!!!



posted on Dec, 3 2012 @ 06:12 AM
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* dump... dump.... dump... dump... dump... dump *

You hear that? Sounds like a warmongers drum to me.



posted on Dec, 3 2012 @ 06:18 AM
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Things always look worse on the surface because governments are trying to look strong for their people...When the US invaded Iraq Germany stated that would not help us...the US in turn stated they would be closing some bases in Germany to move them further East....you know what ended up happening? Germany took over the security for our German bases to free up more soldiers to go to Iraq. Both sides win....The public didn't view Germany as entering the war and we got more resources for the war.

This kind of stuff happens behind the scenes that no one ever sees unless you are actually there..as was my case. We are so out of the loop of what is really going on these days that this whole thing could be an act.





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