Xmas is coming! Time to let the Santa myth go., page 7

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reply posted on 27-11-2012 @ 09:25 AM by MountainLaurel

reply to post by The Old American

I Believe you saw Santa ! Great story, was fun to read....

When my daughter was little Santa always left a trail of " magic dust"...lol...confetti, that would be around the fireplace, the tree, and his half eaten cookie plate....she had soo much fun tracing Santa's steps, my little "Nancy Drew" was on the job!

LMAO.....one year her Daddy decided Santa should leave a trail to the bathroom, against Mommy's wishes mind you ! Our daughter was facinated by this actually and said something to the effect of " Well even Santa has to go pee, but he put the seat back down Mommy ".........I agreed that was very thoughtful of Santa ! Fun Memories we all still enjoy.........

reply posted on 27-11-2012 @ 09:37 AM by littled16

reply to post by 1/2 Nephilim

I think cases of distrust and resentment over the "Santa Conspiracy" are rare, and I'm sorry it affected you so. But I grew up with people where NOT having Santa in their lives had a detrimental effect. When I was a kid there lived near us a family that did not celebrate holidays as the rest of us did, they were Jehovah's witnesses. Whenever we had holiday parties at school the kids were not allowed to attend, and their mother would pick them up before the festivities. No Santa, no Easter Bunny, certainly no Halloween, not even a birthday party. They not only resented their parents- they HATED them for it!

Years later after we were all grown up one of the boys got a job working with my husband, and since he parked at my house each day and rode in with my spouse each day I got to know him again. He still resented his parents for keeping such things from him, and said his siblings did as well. He felt like he was deprived of a big part of childhood, and made it his business to make sure that his own kids always had the biggest and best Christmas ever, complete with a visit from Santa (his brother in a costume).

I haven't seen that guy in a long time now, but I run into his mom every once in a while. I always ask about the kids, and she always says she never sees them anymore. It's sad!

So you see, the story can go both ways.

reply posted on 27-11-2012 @ 09:56 AM by 1/2 Nephilim

reply to post by littled16

Excellent point, and I can definately see that. The style in which you explained that your family enjoys xmas, I dont see anything wrong with those activities whatsoever. Not allowing your kids to celebrate ANY holidays because your religion says you shouldn't is quite different.. especially if those kids don't stick with those religious beliefs. I assume they did not?

Its just the lies that bother me, the stories most holidays are based on are SO far-fetched that extremely young children question them. That cannot be healthy! I don't think being honest with your kid about Santa would turn them into a lifelong paranoid skeptic, I do see how it could happen the other way around though. I was raised methodist, became an atheist at 13 before I knew what an atheist was and IMMEDIATELY made a correlation between christianity and the story of Santa Claus. It was one of the first things I thought, are the grown-ups in on it again or do they actually believe that stuff?

I think birthdays are fine, New Years is good, even Valentines Day is cool because there isn't some dumb exaggerated story attached to Cupid. Its just about love in general and that is something certainly worth taking AT LEAST one day out of the year to celebrate. You know what the best kinds of celebrations are to me though? Family reunions.. because its not society saying everyone get together and enjoy one anothers company because that is what your supposed to do. People have family reunions because they just want to spend time together and the world be damned, were making today about our love for each other.

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reply posted on 27-11-2012 @ 10:13 AM by humphreysjim

For me, the moment my parents told me Santa wasn't real, was one of the best lessons I ever received in my entire life, about finding out the truth for yourself, and not accepting something stated as fact by an authority, just because of who they are.

I would have been robbed of that lesson if I'd have been told the truth right from the start.

Also, it is fun, it brings magic into children's lives that does not harm them in the long run.

It turned me into a skeptic, and it was almost like someone turning on a lightbulb in my head - I started to question other things people take for granted too, a lot of them beliefs and superstitions held by my parents themselves that they had not grown out of, or had the fortune of being corrected on.

Do adults still believe in Santa? No, so it's harmless. God belief is a whole different ball game.

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reply posted on 27-11-2012 @ 10:16 AM by lonewolf19792000

I just love it when ignorant people equate Jesus with the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy. If you ever bothered to read what He taught, it's something to live by and people all throughout the ages benefit from it. The "golden rule" our secular schools like to sport "Do unto others, as you would have done unto you" that comes from him, in an age when men were living by "Eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth".

reply posted on 27-11-2012 @ 10:22 AM by littled16

reply to post by 1/2 Nephilim

I agree that family reunions are way cool, but in this day and age of work til you drop over dead it seems that Christmas is the only time that almost everybody gets a day off, therefore it doubles as a yearly reunion. That's kind of sad, but it's a reality for most families.

As far as linking religion to Santa, I don't know about all that. All the Atheists I know celebrate Christmas, complete with Santa Clause- including one of my own grown children. And telling the "Santa" lie? I guess it's all about personal choice, but if you ever become a parent yourself you will find that the occasional "white lie" is necessary. When you tell your child on their first day of school that if they are nice to the other kids they will be nice to them it's a 'white lie". When you tell your child that those shots will only hurt a little bit for just a second it is a "white lie". When you tell your child that if they eat their spinach they will become strong like Popeye it is a "white lie". If you tell your child that you will always be there to protect them it is also a "white lie". There are so many examples that I could go on all day.

I think the bigger chance of resentment comes from NOT letting children believe in Santa. Kids see the world in a different way, and they should be allowed to believe in a little bit of magic. They grow up and see the world for what it is soon enough.

reply posted on 27-11-2012 @ 10:28 AM by MountainLaurel

YouTube Link

reply posted on 27-11-2012 @ 10:35 AM by howmuch4another

Am I the only one that finds it rich that the OP complains about Santa being a myth and has the username of 1/2 Nephilim??

perrrrrrfect....

reply posted on 27-11-2012 @ 11:52 AM by 1/2 Nephilim

reply to post by MountainLaurel

Originally posted by MountainLaurel

YouTube Link

WOW.... That is a hell of a reply to an 8 year old asking a legitimate question. Blatantly lying, and that wording was not simplified to be intended as a reply to an 8 year old. That was SELLING THE MYTH at its finest.

Notice! That was 1897, only 27 years after xmas had become a national holiday. They were still trying to sell the idea!

In the early 19th century the idea of xmas being a holiday was un-popular due to the fact that there is no evidence Jesus was born on December 25th.

Enough with the "but its our culture" replies ok? Its not! Unless you want to admit you were bought and sold long ago and intended to be blind consumers all along and consider that your "culture".. No, its not your culture.

Go back and listen to that again and LISTEN TO HIM SELLING THE IDEA TO THE GROWN UPS and Wiki Christmas ffs....

reply posted on 27-11-2012 @ 12:02 PM by hotel1

reply to post by sarra1833

Hey Sarra

I been kinda busy last week or so, how is everthing,

Mods sorry for offtop

reply posted on 27-11-2012 @ 12:04 PM by 1/2 Nephilim

reply to post by howmuch4another

Originally posted by howmuch4another
Am I the only one that finds it rich that the OP complains about Santa being a myth and has the username of 1/2 Nephilim??

perrrrrrfect....

Wanna attack my forum name now, cool. Let me tell ya what I mean by it.. Not saying I believe any of this but the idea is this, Angels/divine beings/intellectual came down and procreated with Gods original creations/instinctual beings. So these Nephilim/hybrids are running around 1/2 instinct and 1/2 intellect ok. According to Sumerian mythology Utnapishtim was the biblical Noah/Hero of the Deluge except his father was Enki, the creator of mankind however Utnapishtim also was a child of one of Enki's created people.. not the Anunnaki. Utnapishtim bred with created people/instinctual just like his father did, watering the intellect line down a little more and we are products of that.

1/2 Nephilim or 1/4 Divine, say it how ya like. Just smart enough to operate our smart phones and just dumb enough to teach our kids about Santa.

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reply posted on 27-11-2012 @ 12:09 PM by jimmiec

Believing in Santa when your young encourages imagination. In no way is it a bad thing. Finding out later that you were lied to encourages you to think for yourself and not take everything literally. We need things like that to round out our thought processes. I have never met anyone that was angry at their parents for telling them Santa is real.

reply posted on 27-11-2012 @ 12:14 PM by howmuch4another

reply to post by 1/2 Nephilim

cool story bro....got any proof of that myth?? I didn't attack anything..I pointed out the sheer irony of you making this thread when you obviously believe in the Nephilim. By all means carry on your ridiculous meme of Santa being a bad thing.

reply posted on 27-11-2012 @ 12:23 PM by SPEZNA1

I think it is all about social engineering and fear based. Why do we buy kitchens, dress up baby dolls, fake make up for girls? For the boys it will be trucks, guns, tool sets and GI Joe. And as for the fear, bad behavior leads to no presents??? I thought bad behavior was suppose to lead to discipline and accountability. Imagine this scary thought, there is an unseen force that is watching you while you sleep......creepy.
Maybe i am just crazy.

reply posted on 27-11-2012 @ 12:26 PM by justwokeup

Its harmless. Kids figure it out themselves. Some come right out with it and some keep the game going for a while in a double bluff. I was writing 'santa lists' and then searching the house for presents.

Kids get adult pressures, concerns and corporate programming drilled into them too early as it is. Let Santa be.

What we should be fighting is the ridiculous over commercialisation of xmas to the extent that shops are playing Christmas jingles as soon as Halloween is over. Its been getting worse in the UK for 20 years to the extent its now getting ridiculous. By the time xmas arrives you are sick to death of it.

reply posted on 27-11-2012 @ 12:29 PM by Logos23

I think the bottom line is......Even if we stretch ourselves to buy into the idea that allowing our children to believe in Santa is bad for them.... and at some level we are damaged by this lie and not aware of the effects this lie has on us later on on life.....
To be perfectly honest as a parent in this day and age i feel i have FAR greater threats to be going on with to protect my children from.As a parent you can't protect your children from everything in this world....you chose your battles and you chose your stands.....Santa doesn't rate too high on my threat list!

reply posted on 27-11-2012 @ 12:35 PM by 1/2 Nephilim

reply to post by Logos23

Well said and understandable. Pretty much the best reply I've read. Thanks

I totally get that, the world is messed up and there are bigger things to worry about for your kids. There is no such thing as a perfect parent, I get that too. Its that reason, that until the world becomes a better place I have no plans to reproduce.

reply posted on 27-11-2012 @ 01:11 PM by LittleBlackEagle

Originally posted by 1/2 Nephilim
reply to post by littled16

I hope LittleBlackEagle doesn't mind me quoting them but this reply seems like a very good one to your statement. It was on Page 2 of the thread.

Originally posted by LittleBlackEagle
reply to post by riverwild

it was the truth, whether it sounds good or not. you know as well as i do how this holiday has evolved and it isn't about friendship and sharing, family or caring, it's about big corps selling their wares as fast as possible. it's about them quilting families into believing they must buy their kids the most expensive gifts as possible since they are competing with all the other parents.

this spirit of giving they constantly pump people up with is nothing more than marketing and sales, same tactics they use for every other holiday. the true spirit of giving can be seen in good people everyday of their lives and shouldn't be dirtied by the notion that money has anything to do with it.

whens the last time you saw an add for a christmas gift that entailed actually helping people out? hey this is the CEO of wally-world and we would like to give a hundred families the chance to travel abroad and help feed and educate some third world fellow humans? how about, "this christmas please save some money you have for gifts and donate to those less fortunate", never ever heard any big box stores say anything like that.

perhaps, "this christmas we have decided to give all our employees off for christmass eve since this isn't about the money, but about family and caring"... reality, this is the ceo of wally-world and we're friggin open every minute of everyday because we want more money and our employees don't mean chit."

reality it seems, is not so popular these days.

no problem amigo, i couldn't have said it better myself, literally.

i love celebrations, i truly do, but this one has left the building with little to no resemblance of what it was supposed to be and i'm not one to celebrate lies. i would recommend everyone who celebrates this day, to change the way you and your family enjoy it and try to separate the big money from the big love.

reply posted on 27-11-2012 @ 01:11 PM by zonetripper2065

reply to post by 1/2 Nephilim

Never mind the endlesswars, poisons, toxic waste polluting the planet your more worried about your children being exposed to the evil that is Santa Claus. You're clown shoes.

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reply posted on 27-11-2012 @ 01:41 PM by MidnightSunshine

reply to post by zonetripper2065

He just doesn't like the idea of the lie. I can understand that. I think it's a lot easier said than done.

Like someone pointed out earlier, even if you flat out tell your kids there is no REAL Santa, they still might BELIEVE.

That's what kids do, they believe all kind of things that aren't real. My Daughter believes when I kiss her booboo's she feels better. Even though she KNOWS it really doesn't change how her boo boo feels, she still wants me to kiss it, because it really DOES make HER feel better.

I don't think the OP is right, I think it is beneficial to be lied to about Santa. The Happy man who goes out of his way to give every kid in the world a gift. I remember thinking 'WOW how does he do that?' and 'Wow he is so special to give something to everyone.'

Now as an adult, I am Santa. I'm not an obsessed consumer. I (or the real Santa) don't require cookies to deliver the goods, but it is nice to be thanked. I don't spend tons of money on people but I do go out of my way to give something to everyone that matters to me. Even if it's just a card and scratch off. It's the spirit of giving, and it's the right idea, REAL or not.

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