The Incredible Technological Precision of the Ancients

Originally posted by buddhasystem

Its very common when fringy new agers try to interact with the real world they soon become frustrated and fall back into their special jargon. Osmie having failed to provide evidence that the hills are pyramids is going more and more into new age stuff.

I predicted at the start of this that this would end with thousands of new ager laying on the hills 'soaking up' vibrational energy.......we'll wait and see

Originally posted by Hanslune

Originally posted by buddhasystem

Its very common when fringy new agers try to interact with the real world they soon become frustrated and fall back into their special jargon.

Indeed, this is the woo-woo speak. "Vibration, frequency, energy". At this point, no further thinking is required from the woo-woos. Once you say the magic word, it explains everything.

Stupidity, really.

Originally posted by buddhasystem


Indeed, this is the woo-woo speak. "Vibration, frequency, energy". At this point, no further thinking is required from the woo-woos. Once you say the magic word, it explains everything.

Stupidity, really.

Well not really stupid just a religious belief which are......well okay 'uninformed and unscientific'

Originally posted by Mary Rose
From the "About CPAK" page:

It has recently been discovered that most megalithic structures (cairns, tombs, henges, etc. around the globe) are astronomically aligned, or positioned to mark the solstices and cardinal points. Huge stones are one of the few things that still stand after several thousand years and these structures bespeak of a worldwide civilization attuned to the heavens - and more. One of our recent presenters at CPAK, scientist John Burke, author of Seed of Knowledge Stone of Plenty, has found that the magnetic polarity of the 66 remaining stones at Avebury are all positioned with their positive poles facing the next one in line – a discovery with huge implications! John took over a thousand readings with a flux magnetometer but how did the Ancients know about such subtle forces? And why did they align them in a pattern similar to a modern particle accelerator? Such discoveries suggest the megalithic builders understood certain electromagnetic properties and utilized them for purposes we have still not discovered.

I see the founder of the Binary Research Institute, Walter Cruttenden, apparently wrote a review of the John Burke book on Amazon. An excerpt:

. . . Using a magnetometer and electrostatic voltmeter Burke has taken hundreds of readings at approximately 80 different ancient sites including Carnac, Avebury, Stonehenge as well as assorted American mounds and Mesoamerican pyramids. The results are clear and compelling indicating that these ancient sites are places where subtle energies emanate from the Earth or are enhanced by the structure itself. . . .

Originally posted by Mary Rose
You're talking about his book The Giza Power Plant - Technologies of Ancient Egypt, published in 1998.

That book by Christopher Dunn was published by Bear & Company.

From the Amazon Book Description I've gathered that the concept is that the Great Pyramid served as a crystal and that it created harmonic resonance with the Earth's vibrational energies, which in turn, created an unlimited supply of electricity.

I have the Kindle edition of the book. Here is a screenshot of a graphic from Chapter Eight "The Giza Power Plant":

Originally posted by Mary Rose

Originally posted by Mary Rose
You're talking about his book The Giza Power Plant - Technologies of Ancient Egypt, published in 1998.

That book by Christopher Dunn was published by Bear & Company.

So Dunn apparently has a long career in pseudo-science? Oh well.

From the Amazon Book Description I've gathered that the concept is that the Great Pyramid served as a crystal and that it created harmonic resonance with the Earth's vibrational energies, which in turn, created an unlimited supply of electricity.

The pyramid is not a crystal. I thought that this much would be clear to anyone who doesn't have serious mental problems. Why would anyone call an object that is manifestly not a crystal, "a crystal"? Because it's philosophically pleasing (especially when you garnish it with "vibration" and "energy", thus completing the circle of New Age stupidity).

Originally posted by Mary Rose
You're talking about his book The Giza Power Plant - Technologies of Ancient Egypt, published in 1998.

Chapter Six is "The Coral Castle Mystery."

In it Dunn points out that Ed Leedskalnin believed that matter is composed of individual attracting and repelling magnets, and that maybe the way Leedskalnin moved heavy coral blocks was simply by somehow aligning the magnets within the coral blocks he was moving to repelling poles within the streaming individual magnets coming out of the earth.

Mainstream science admits it does not understand gravity. Leedskalnin's alternative view of the universe is that it is magnetic. Perhaps he was correct.

There is a lot of evidence that a technologically advanced civilization existed before ancient Egyptians, Mayans, etc. But all that is left of it is these perfectly processed stones. Not even a glass bottle, or a stainless steel instrument. As for Egypt, I have great doubts about the officially accepted classification of monuments, their purpose, the year they were built, etc. For example, the Sphynx in 1900s did not have any 'legs':


(Source: 1900s in color).
Why would someone add legs and name it a Sphinx when it was just a bust on a pedestal?

Originally posted by mrkeen
There is a lot of evidence that a technologically advanced civilization existed before ancient Egyptians, Mayans, etc. But all that is left of it is these perfectly processed stones

a) LOT OF EVIDENCE
b) ALL THAT IS LEFT

a+b = non sequitur

Originally posted by Mary Rose
Chapter Six is "The Coral Castle Mystery."

Thinking creatively and outside the box:

If I were to try to replicate Leedskalnin's feat, I would begin with the premise that he was using his flywheel to generate a single-frequency tunable radio signal. The box at the top of the tripod would contain the radio receiver (there are several tuners in Leedskalnin's workshop), and the cable coming from the box would be attached to a speaker that emitted sound to vibrate the coral rock at its resonant frequency. With the atoms in the coral vibrating (like those in an iron bar), I would then attempt to flip their magnetic poles—which are naturally in an attraction orientation with the Earth—using an electromagnetic field. . . .

Originally posted by buddhasystem
a) LOT OF EVIDENCE
b) ALL THAT IS LEFT

a+b = non sequitur

There is no logical contradiction here. 'A lot of' can mean many examples, but these examples are not necessarily diverse. Ultra-precise megaliths can be found all around the globe, from South America to Egypt and Rapa-Nui, and traces of instruments like on the photos above are also found, but not the instruments themselves. So the evidence is numerous, but all of the same type.

Originally posted by mrkeen
There is a lot of evidence that a technologically advanced civilization existed before ancient Egyptians, Mayans, etc.

Does this screenshot indicate the timeframe that you have in mind?



It comes from a video by independent researcher Johan Oldenkamp of pateo.nl.

Originally posted by mrkeen

Originally posted by buddhasystem
a) LOT OF EVIDENCE
b) ALL THAT IS LEFT

a+b = non sequitur

There is no logical contradiction here. 'A lot of' can mean many examples, but these examples are not necessarily diverse. Ultra-precise megaliths can be found all around the globe, from South America to Egypt and Rapa-Nui, and traces of instruments like on the photos above are also found, but not the instruments themselves. So the evidence is numerous, but all of the same type.

Well in that case you are really trying to re-define what "technologically advanced" means. If you said "quite skilled in masonry and working large stones", I'd have no issue with that. But for a reasonable person, "advanced technology" has a much, much broader and complex meaning than that.

An evidence of advanced machinery would be some remains of same, or an artifact bearing features inexplicable otherwise (as one person said, like a silicon wafer or a chunk of plutonium). As far as Ancient Egypt goes, I would settle for a broken but elaborate Swiss Army knife as evidence. It's nowhere to be found. And as explanations go, I cited Angkor Wat as an example of skilled large-scale masonry. It was all done with hand tools, just like in Egypt.

What we do have as actual evidence of technology in Egypt is something very, very different from "high tech": it's the evidence of applying rather simple techniques on a very large scale, in a very organized manner and while paying attention to measuring stuff very well (which is remarkable, to be sure). And there is plenty of evidence showing just how simple most of the methods were. Bashing a rock with another is not "advanced technology". There are plenty of interesting materials referenced even in this thread.

One of the books Christopher Dunn lists as of related interest at the end of The Giza Power Plant is Forbidden History, edited by J. Douglas Kenyon, of Atlantis Rising. It is a compilation of 42 essays.

In his Introduction he points out that there are researchers who believe that there have been cataclysms in the past that have destroyed advanced civilizations. If it is true that we've had cataclysms such as the Great Flood described in the Bible, then it is understandable if artifacts are not to be found. They could have been lost. Especially if a more accurate date for ancient Egypt is 39,000 BCE.

Additionally, if the technology was superior to ours, we may not even be able to recognize the artifacts when we see them, at least not with the mindset many people have.

Originally posted by Mary Rose
In his Introduction he points out that there are researchers who believe that there have been cataclysms in the past that have destroyed advanced civilizations.

Another thing he mentions is the works of Immanuel Velikovsky, author of Worlds in Collision, and Carl Jung. Both were psychoanalysts. Velikovsky also wrote Mankind in Amnesia. Jung is famous for his ideas on a collective unconscious.

It is possible that if humanity has suffered major cataclysms in the past, that we have blocked this terrifying history out of our collective consciousness as a coping mechanism, causing us to believe fairy tales about ancient times as a part of keeping the trauma of the past hidden from ourselves.

Originally posted by Mary Rose
Does this screenshot indicate the timeframe that you have in mind?

Well, maybe, but I believe another source which dates the Sphinx as ~11000 B.C. as well. As for the rest of this screenshot, I have no idea

Originally posted by Mary Rose
It is possible that if humanity has suffered major cataclysms in the past, that we have blocked this terrifying history out of our collective consciousness as a coping mechanism, causing us to believe fairy tales about ancient times as a part of keeping the trauma of the past hidden from ourselves.

Actually, our present civilization cycle is only a few thousand years long. And during this time we made it from a stone tool to space satellites and Internet. If human beings existed as species for at least several hundred thousand years, then how many such civilizations could've been packed into that time frame? And humanity doesn't need a collective agreement to forget its past, a single global cataclism or a devastating war is enough. But that's just speculation. We cannot know for sure. All we have is these megaliths, some of which are very precise and big and show similar technique all around the globe. I for one can't imagine a primitive civilization that travels all around the globe, spreading the same technique of stonework. It has to be more or less advanced civilization with some agenda.

Originally posted by mrkeen

Originally posted by buddhasystem
a) LOT OF EVIDENCE
b) ALL THAT IS LEFT

a+b = non sequitur

There is no logical contradiction here. 'A lot of' can mean many examples, but these examples are not necessarily diverse. Ultra-precise megaliths can be found all around the globe, from South America to Egypt and Rapa-Nui, and traces of instruments like on the photos above are also found, but not the instruments themselves. So the evidence is numerous, but all of the same type.

Which is more easily explained as the local doing the work instead of a mysterious non-evidenced civilization 'x'.

One point what ultra-precise monuments are you giving the Rapa-nui?

Originally posted by Mary Rose
One of the books Christopher Dunn lists as of related interest at the end of The Giza Power Plant is Forbidden History, edited by J. Douglas Kenyon, of Atlantis Rising. It is a compilation of 42 essays.

In his Introduction he points out that there are researchers who believe that there have been cataclysms in the past that have destroyed advanced civilizations. If it is true that we've had cataclysms such as the Great Flood described in the Bible, then it is understandable if artifacts are not to be found. They could have been lost. Especially if a more accurate date for ancient Egypt is 39,000 BCE.

Additionally, if the technology was superior to ours, we may not even be able to recognize the artifacts when we see them, at least not with the mindset many people have.

No biblical deluge, please take look at the long list of studies of neolithic Nile valley......yes Dunn's book put out the idea that massive cataclysms would destroy all the high tech stuff but leave all the stone tools, burials, habitation levels and pottery......

Originally posted by mrkeen

Actually, our present civilization cycle is only a few thousand years long. And during this time we made it from a stone tool to space satellites and Internet. If human beings existed as species for at least several hundred thousand years, then how many such civilizations could've been packed into that time frame? And humanity doesn't need a collective agreement to forget its past, a single global cataclism or a devastating war is enough. But that's just speculation. We cannot know for sure. All we have is these megaliths, some of which are very precise and big and show similar technique all around the globe. I for one can't imagine a primitive civilization that travels all around the globe, spreading the same technique of stonework. It has to be more or less advanced civilization with some agenda.

........for which no evidence exists and from what we know about ancient civilization they leave massive environmental and archaeological footprints

Originally posted by Hanslune

Originally posted by mrkeen

Originally posted by buddhasystem
a) LOT OF EVIDENCE
b) ALL THAT IS LEFT

a+b = non sequitur

There is no logical contradiction here. 'A lot of' can mean many examples, but these examples are not necessarily diverse. Ultra-precise megaliths can be found all around the globe, from South America to Egypt and Rapa-Nui, and traces of instruments like on the photos above are also found, but not the instruments themselves. So the evidence is numerous, but all of the same type.

Which is more easily explained as the local doing the work instead of a mysterious non-evidenced civilization 'x'.

One point what ultra-precise monuments are you giving the Rapa-nui?

Probably this. Not sure about "ultra", but it's there.