US warships headed towards Israel

Originally posted by Zaphod58
reply to post by mazzroth

 

What extra hitting power? Two thousand Marines? An LH class would be a drop in the bucket compared to what Israel alone is bringing to the fight. If there were to be a Nimitz going to the area, I'd be worried, but an LH isn't going to add anything to the firepower already in the area.

And the arm chair warriors surface.

You think you know what is going on and truly believe that your knowledge is exact.

Now it's my time to LMAO because you are nothing but an MSM wannabe reporter.

If the US citizens over there were to hang their hopes on your misguided opinions, I truly feel sorry for their families and will hang my head at the funerals.

2200 can't be a back up force but it can be an extraction force? Please

reply to post by jude11


And how are you any different? You say it like you know for a fact that they're going to invade, or that these are going to be sacrificed, and they're going for something other than to get civilians out. What makes YOU such an expert?

Originally posted by Zaphod58
reply to post by jude11

 

And how are you any different? You say you know for a fact that they're going to invade, or that these are going to be sacrificed, and they're going for something other than to get civilians out. What makes YOU such an expert?

Simple.

2200 as an extraction force can't work when an entire Nation's military is on stand-by.

Arrogant to even think it's possible but perfectly plausible to report in the MSM.

Originally posted by Zaphod58
reply to post by jude11

 

And how are you any different? You say it like you know for a fact that they're going to invade, or that these are going to be sacrificed, and they're going for something other than to get civilians out.

History my friend.

In particular, the history of the US.

You honestly believe you are being told the truth so that you can formulate the end game?

Based on the track record of the US, I can.

reply to post by jude11


Why would they even need to send in the Marines in the first place? They aren't extracting them from a hostile situation, where they have to go in guns blazing. It's a simple pick up, and fly back to the ship. I'd agree with you if they were having to fight their way in to get them, but unless something drastically changes, they aren't going to have to.

Oh wait, I forgot, Israel will shoot them down and blame Hamas and we'll get involved. As much as I can't stand the Israeli gov't as much as anyone else, but I'd be impressed if they could pull off blaming Hamas shooting down a helo, if the pickup is deep in Israel, nowhere near where Hamas has ever operated.

They haven't even said that they're pulling out any civilians. They're getting the ships in the area in case of an evacuation.

an invasion into palestine by israeli troops would cause who knows what response by who knows which of israels enemies these lh ships may be a necessity if the shtf!

reply to post by princeofpeace


What, no USS Liberty in that list?

How odd.

Standard procedure. Fact.

Canadian ships and airlines will be on stand by shortly too.. Maybe on Cyprus like in 2006.

They're going there to standby in case of a NEO, Non-Combatant Evacuation Operation is required. When you want that done you send in the Gator Freighters.

I did two of those, Albania in '97 on the Nassau and Liberia in '02 on the Kearsarge.

I admit I have not read thru this entire thread, so please forgive me just this once if I'm repeating a thought already expressed.

I have three questions:

1. How many American citizens are we talking about, that it takes 3 warships?

2. If they really are just going to pick up folks, couldn't they send a Carnival Cruise ship instead?

3. Could they please, please take all of the innocent Gazan residents out of the area too, and let the killers sort out their differences?

Not trying to pick a fight. Look, as a mother and a human being, I can't take this anymore. This death toll. This rising number of the 'casualties of war.' So many children. And don't anyone dare call me anti-Jewish. That's a bald-faced lie. I am anti-war. Period. It is a stupid road to peace.

reply to post by new_here


An LHD always sails with escorts, usually a three ship group. These three particular ships were already sailing together.

They're not using a cruise ship because that would have to dock in port to load everyone in. These just fly helicopters off the deck off an on, and never have to go near a port.

reply to post by Zaphod58


You are correct in your assessments.

However it is important to note this class of ship is amphibious assault, and so it is capable of both helo incursions and shore landings.

I agree that they are most likely being used for evac in this particular instance as there is no need for their military aid in the actual conflict itself.

the three ships that were heading home were relieved by three ships just like them with their own group of marines...
so, there is more than likely more than 2,000 marines sitting on amphibious ships...
and well, at least one ship just like these was sent to haiti after the earthquake disaster.
they are useful in alot of ways....
evacuations being one.
bombing being another.
I bet there's some unhappy sailors on those ships though....and families here at home.

America are very cunning!, truly deserve medals and awards for their ability to cover the true intention of their military operations under the guise of innocent ' feasible' lies.


The infamous list of excuses;

- Humanatirian corridors
- Humanitarian Aid
- Evacuation of citizens
- Peace keeping missions
- military 'Drills' in international waters......conveniently on the doorstep of their next military conquest

List goes on and on, please feel free to add.

Anyways its OBVIOUS to the trained mind..........a mind ofcourse thats familiar with military manoevers that America has now strategically placed their military assest in every corner of the middle east,

with sorties all over the place......and soldiers waiting on stand by in occupied iraq/ afghanistian bases in kuwait, qatar and bahrain....

If a war were to break out with iran or elsewhere in the middle east.......america could contain it pretty well.....because they are already 'conveniently prepared'........

i estimate america may have anywhere between 200-300, 000 military personnel in the middle east at the moment, remember those carrier strike groups positioned int he gulf.

I think this is what they say it is, they think the situation in Israel is going to escalate to the point where they need warships to help evacuate U.S. citizens. That sounds nasty enough.

Israel doesnt need evacuation, it never has needed thus far....because its always been in a one sided war with palestine......

If israel need evacuation then what to palestine need? wow.

Its clearly an excuses you dont need 3 warships either. whos kicking off here? iron dome is doing fine

Quote from the article
"The U.S. military also maintains three to four ships off the coast of Israel that are capable of shooting down ballistic missiles."

Since Israel has the equipment to shoot down Iranian missles already, one might question whose missles we are preparing to shoot down.

reply to post by Zaphod58

...but I'd be impressed if they could pull off blaming Hamas shooting down a helo, if the pickup is deep in Israel, nowhere near where Hamas has ever operated.

It's easy enough to shoot down a chopper or rig one to blow and then claim Hamas 'must have been' supplied stinger missiles or their equivalent by Iran...two or rather three birds with one stone.

Not saying that is what will happen or even that something along those lines is being planned...but it's simple enough and will give the USA the excuse it would need to drive public opinion for war with Iran, lose support for the oppressed and brutalised people in Palestine and Gaza, and probably double Israel's aid-blood money.

All for the price of one chopper, a few expendable troops and a surface to air missile...they would consider it a cheap price to pay i reckon.

I'm hoping they are steaming there to arrest the entire Israeli leadership and drag them off to the International Criminal court in the Hague for crimes against humanity...i doubt it, but i can hope can't i?

oh but i thought israel was SO powerful............they cant even defend themselves from home made coke bottle bombs,,,,its ok, the u.s. will deal with em....the u.s. loves blowback, lets call em now

Originally posted by Zaphod58
They haven't even said that they're pulling out any civilians. They're getting the ships in the area in case of an evacuation.

edit on 11/19/2012 by Zaphod58 because: (no reason given)

I am by no means a fan of Israel, and I in no way trust the US government (or any other for that matter) but I agree with you.

The US is sending these ships in the event that another nation acts against Israel to defend Gaza. If Egypt launches a retaliatory move on Israel all American citizens there are at risk, in the middle of a region hostile to them. The US is providing an exit route for those civilians who would effectively be on an island under assault from potentially several sides.

Of course, there will be efforts by Israel to draw the US into it immediately if they are attacked by another nation, and who knows what those methods will be. But right now, this is simply a potential rescue mission.

As for troop numbers, this includes the manning of the ships, this is no effective ground force. The US would need to send a hell of a lot more bodies to be of any use in anything other than a rescue mission.