Moral men and women will deny women equal rights.

reply to post by AussieAmandaC

You are right. Men and Women are NOT EQUAL. I cannot have a child. I cannot feed that child from my body. A Woman can. Women on average cannot be equal to Men physically. This is why the Olympics separate contests into Men and Women Category.

There are many things a Woman can do or is better at on average then any Man...and the same can be said in reverse. The reality is that we should just except this and not be in conflict with each other. Split Infinity

Originally posted by ErtaiNaGia
reply to post by BlueAjah

 

Any proposition of a society where either gender is in a "higher" position than the other can never evolve into a stable, happy society.

Would you be so kind as to name a single stable, happy society?

Exactly. There are none. I don't actually know for sure if there have "never" been any. (I love history, but am not a historian.) Perhaps there might have been some tribes or civilizations in the past that overcame prejudice and lived in some kind of peace, but I have not heard of them. As long as any kind of prejudice exists, it is not possible.

Gender discrimination is just one of many ways that people are judged for some characteristic other than their individual talents or contributions to society. It's not that there are no individuals who have not overcome prejudice, but on the whole as a society there is too much discrimination to achieve stability and peace.

Problem arises when we try to force FORCE gender to be EQUAL, THIS IS NEVER GOOD!

At the current model, Men are losing out(no i'm not a masculinist? is that a word? lol). They have been domesticated.

Men that look feminine are worshiped as idols (boy bands), while rugged men are looked down as savages. At this rate all the feminized men are going to out breed and create more feminized men. jk

We should not be pigeon-holding roles for genders. We should give all the work to everyone, then see how the ratio changes, some areas men would overtake, while some women would. and we should go by that, the rule of the jungle.

I still see women who are put in certain roles at work because of lawsuits, where a man would do much better jobs. Don't give me the they will do equal crap, you know its not true.

Just like how a good mother would be better at taking care of child during early development compared to a good father. Heck, that's the reason, court gives the child automatically to the mother if there was a divorce.

We are not equal, and we should not be seen as one, however, respect should be given equal because we both are of the same species and are talented in same aspects.

There are many problems with women being considered an equal.
Ever since "womens rights" movement, Males have been on a steady decline in masculinity.

Just watch the commercials on TV, all of them dumb down males... They consistently make it look as if the Wife/Mother is the head of the household. This has been subconciously engrained in the younger women of today.
So essentially when the meet a real MAN, they tend to try to domesticate him and run him. The REAL MAN ends up leaving this woman. Now she has a child and is a single mother. This child starts into a cycle of problems because of this.

-Many girls I have dated grew up with no father.
Let's just say they grew up with a little too much "girl power" for my liking. Which is why I slept with all of thier friends. We need more Don Juans to show these ignorant, people magazine, celebrity, Louie Vuitton loving, Jersey Shore watching, Kim Kardashin wannabe girls to know what's really important.

Truth of the matter is that no matter how feminist a women is......

They all want to be carried away and subdued by a MAN.

reply to post by Greatest I am

Since this is the metaphysics forum, I'll answer from that perspective. God made man in His image. The entire race of man. Therefore .. men and women are completely equal in God's eyes and therefore they should be in our eyes as well.

ETA -

Originally posted by resoe26
Truth of the matter is that no matter how feminist a women is......
They all want to be carried away and subdued by a MAN.

Want some bandaids to put on those knuckles of yours? They must be pretty sore!

We humans don't know true morality. Because we have never had it. We can never know true morality if we never had true morals.

We can argue among us the difference between good and bad morals. But the Irony is that bad morals can be good for some. And good moral can be bad for others. We have problems knowing what morals that are good for everyone at the same time.

Within the system we live under today. We are brought up to be competitors. Competing for wealth and social standards. We are brought up to accept that some have right to have more than others. We are brought up to accept a moral difference between us.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
reply to post by Greatest I am

 

Since this is the metaphysics forum, I'll answer from that perspective. God made man in His image. The entire race of man. Therefore .. men and women are completely equal in God's eyes and therefore they should be in our eyes as well.

ETA -

Originally posted by resoe26
Truth of the matter is that no matter how feminist a women is......
They all want to be carried away and subdued by a MAN.

Want some bandaids to put on those knuckles of yours? They must be pretty sore!

edit on 11/14/2012 by FlyersFan because: (no reason given)

No bandaids needed. Charm is a valuable tool.

Women should be In the Kitchen

Originally posted by Wertdagf
reply to post by Greatest I am

 

You realize alot has happened after the evolution of marriage.... right?

Like the invention of fire... and the wheel. There are alot of things in our daily lives that have changed after moving out of caves...

Assuming that females are weaker in todays enviroment is idiotic. Things have changed! Only religious fools hang on to these stoneage mindsets.

I take it that you believe in equality then.
All the time?
Or just some of the time?

Was Captain Coward doing the right thing in demanding his equality to the women and children?

Regards
DL

Originally posted by MonkeyFishFrog
reply to post by Greatest I am

 

I hope you do realize the "science" that proves women as the weaker sex is quite false. Most of it originates from the early part of the 20th century where research was very one-sided. Women can be just as physically strong as men but are not encouraged to do so through early childhood socialization.

Check the Olympic records and say that again.
Can't truthfully say it.
Right?

Regards
DL

Originally posted by luciddream
reply to post by MonkeyFishFrog

 

In a scientific, health perspective....

Are you saying if a boy and a girl were given the same amount of food and same amount of exercise, every day, they would have equal strength in 20 yrs?

i highly doubt it.

Men and women are NOT equal, the treatment both receive should be.

I agree with your first. Not your last.

Are you suggesting that men and women should flip a coin to see who gets into the lifeboats of a sinking ship?

Regards
DL

Originally posted by WhoKnows100
As the President of Iran is declaring that the Imam Mahdi will come "as a girl" and Mahdi in Sanskrit means "primordial mother"

As the Catholic Church is elevating Mary to higher and higher status than what we see in scripture...

As the occult, mystery religions and Hinduism think that the Kundilini spirit is a female...

And as Our Creator said to Adam

To Adam he said, "Because you listened to your wife and ate from the tree about which I commanded you, 'You must not eat of it,' "Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat of it all the days of your life. Genesis 3:7

I would say nope, not a good idea.

Poorly thought out.

Check the pictures of the most ancient Gods and you will note that they are androgynous.

www.youtube.com...

As to your quote from Genesis, you see a fall from Eden while those who wrote it and have a superior interpretation of their own scriptures, the Jews, see man's elevation and not his fall.

You should try going to the source and not the usurpers.

"Instead of the Fall of man (in the sense of humanity as a whole), Judaism preaches the Rise of man: and instead of Original Sin, it stresses Original Virtue"

www.mrrena.com...


Regards
DL

Originally posted by Unity_99
What you're talking about is not moral, its EVIL. Its absolutely beyond belief EVIL.

Women are equal, nor do they have to do the same thing that men do, we're substantively equal in our own unique ways.

Just so you know.

Inequality is the root of all evil in the universe and it leads to greed, rape, murder, wars, starvation, and infanticide, it is the most evil thing there is.

Reach up to progression and cast out all the programs the wolves have installed.

Also, equality never meant women intended to become wolves, army boys or compete physically. They don't have to. They can be themselves and consider that to be very primitive and crimes against humanity. They nurture life and already do work of equal value.

They hold their hands for men to lay down their spears and become peaceful. They won't join them, but invite.

To be very very clear on this issue, since so many equate equality with function.

All people, from infants to the elderly, male and female, healthy and handicapped, in every way, with all their diverse intelligence and gifts ARE EQUAL AS ARE. And all deserve the same respect as if they were TEMPLES HOUSING THE DIVINE, for they are, and full dignity of homes, land, gardens without slavery. EQUALITY.

And anything short of full equality without slavery is the WORST SIN IN THE UNIVERSE AND THE FOUNDATION OF ALL SIN.

And it is directly harming GOD, for the body is the temple of GOD.

edit on 13-11-2012 by Unity_99 because: (no reason given)

I see a blind spot.

Sure we are all temples of God with individual access. As a Gnostic Christian I cannot help but think this way. God is perceived by the mind according to Gnostic Jesus. No two minds or individuals are equal.

Equality under the law is one thing, and we both applaud this, but if in a fire where you have to be carried to safety by a fireman, would you choose a 200 lb. male to carry you the distance or would you choose a 140 lb. female?

Give your honest choice.

Regards
DL

Originally posted by metalholic
I get what your saying. Your saying it's not that you think women aren't equal or shouldn't be treated as equals but because they give birth and keep the species alive by being the ovens for the cakes. That they should be coveted rather then put in the line of fire.

Exactly.

The law of the sea puts them ahead of men and I think that that standard should always be applied even if not at sea.

Regards
DL

Originally posted by BlueAjah
reply to post by WhoKnows100

 

I knew it!! I always suspected that the true reason that men historically suffocated women into a subservient position is because they knew that women are actually more powerful and smarter, and would eventually rule the world if given a chance to succeed.

Just kidding

(kind of haha)

But seriously, regarding the OP: Any proposition of a society where either gender is in a "higher" position than the other can never evolve into a stable, happy society. History demonstrates this. The only way we will ever get to the point of a balanced, truly successful society is if each individual is accepted and respected for their own talents and contributions, regardless of their gender.

edit on 11/13/12 by BlueAjah because: grammar

Well thought out but what would you do on a sinking ship? Compare all the lifestyles and contributors and mix the men and women in the lifeboats and leave women behind?

Do you expect a man in the lifeboat to prevent other men from throwing women out and take the chance of them losing their chance at life?

Remember Captain Coward.

I agree that ideally we could all follow our natures whatever they are but we are rule following machines and put rules to everything we do.

I would suggest that women are better suited to lead mankind as they have a better historic record of doing so that is way longer than the record of war loving men have in the recent past.

Peace and Goddess worship flourished for 25,000 years before man took over and we have warred ever since.

www.youtube.com...

Regards
DL

Originally posted by halfoldman
Interesting post, although the second clip is a bit long for now.

In the OP however I'm a bit confused, because it seems to suggest that women should be respected because they "incubate life".

So when they're not pregnant, or beyond getting pregnant (or infertile), they are disposable, because that justification then no longer exists?
Pregnancy is the only reason given in the OP to respect women, so when they are not "human incubators", or unable to be so, then what justification remains to respect them by this reasoning?

And why should this make men, particularly "alpha males" more expendable via "sacrifice'?
What is meant here by sacrifice?
Sending them to war in the name of "tribalism" and the "conservative tribal chiefs"?

Why should men be happy with this?
Without their healthy seed there would be no female incubation.
So they are crucial to the process, and therefore just as worthy of preservation.
In fact men have no real biological clock, so by that reasoning one should rather send infertile and post-menopausal women to war, because their procreative function is over in any case.
Men could still procreate at that age.

So why sacrifice alpha males?
This seems more like an argument by weaker heterosexual males to get rid of alpha male competition (send them to war, or another dangerous job), and thus to have access to more women for themselves.
Not that I blame the weaker heterosexual specimens for trying to do this, since they sometimes do have quite a horrible time.

edit on 13-11-2012 by halfoldman because: (no reason given)

Yes. As the incubators of life for 9 months, they deserve more care than the 3 second it takes men to get them pregnant. You might have noted that care/harm is the first principle of morality. Unless you do not agree with it and the author. If not, please give your first principle of morality. To think that men should only protect their mate while she is pregnant and shift that protection to themselves when she is not would be men just using women and certainly shows that they have their benefits at heart and not those of women.

But that is not the only reason. Women bond with their children while carrying them to birth and are generally better than men at child rearing. Just check the numbers of deadbeat dads and compare them to unwed mothers. Women are the backbones of family. Not men.

Women are also weaker physically than men. You speak of war times and I would ask you, who are better suited to fight for a nation?
Men or women?

Sure, some jobs are not strength related and women might do better at these than men but when the boots hit the ground, men are better fighting companions than women because they might use that extra strength to kill the opponent or carry you to safety.

Regards
DL

Originally posted by Unity_99
Inequality is the root of all evil in the universe and it leads to greed, rape, murder, wars, starvation, and infanticide, it is the most evil thing there is.

Couldn't disagree with this more. I don't believe in 'evil', don't believe anyone knows what the 'root of all evil in the universe' is. And I especially don't believe we are 'equal'. We aren't, we never have been, and we never will be. We are animals, and the strong survive and the weak perish. It's just that simple. Animals in the wild have no concept of your New Age philosophies... the weak are left to their own devices in a herd, even killed. Animals aren't 'evil' either. We do what we do, and one of the things we do naturally is to 'size up' situations, especially people. In the instant that we look at a stranger our subconscious mind will make accessments about that person without any help from our conscious mind. That process isn't 'evil' either.

Life is about survival... it has nothing to do with arbitrary moralism.

Frankly, I wonder when we will start looking at ourselves with some honesty, about our species and our genetic impulses and behaviors as a collective, instead of still mistakenly trying to view things thru the spiritual/religious blinders.

Inequality is evil? It disgusts me that anyone would represent that as some universal truth. It's no wonder we are screwed up as a species. We'd rather believe in some fantastically, grandiose illusion about ourselves than see the truth, even when it's right in front of our noses.

Originally posted by ErtaiNaGia
reply to post by Greatest I am

 

The sacrifice that we must all do is deny women equality and give men a lower position in rulership. Men must bend the knee to women and elevate them to our ultimate sovereign.

Whoops... you dun goofed there.

How so?

Regards
DL

Originally posted by AussieAmandaC
I'm book marking because for some wierd reason i think I will enjoy reading through some of your other threads.

Can't comment too much on this, but we are clearly not equal in any way shape or form, even how we process emotions and hormones is different.
Which is why she would need his council as much as he would need hers, and we're not there yet.

I agree with all but your last.

Women and men of intelligence are ready. It is men and religious and governmental institutions that are holding women and civilization back.

Regards
DL