Moral men and women will deny women equal rights.

Moral men and women will deny women equal rights.

Seeking and demanding sanctity is one of the main five best rules of morality. Those rules shown below closely resemble most religious rules. For humankind to give an idea sanctity they must give sacrifice to it. The sacrifice that we must all do is deny women equality and give men a lower position in rulership. Men must bend the knee to women and elevate them to our ultimate sovereign. Those women and men who do not demand this are not in the best moral state of mind and should try to move to it.

We are all natural animals and follow the hierarchical rules of those species which have Alpha males. The main survival strategy of such a species is that the Alpha males will fight to the death to insure that the Beta females live.

Females, as the incubators of life and the most important within that species, must have the highest protection to insure that they will survive to continue the life of that species. Men, being the most physically powerful and having a more natural tendency to rule, must take a leadership role to insure this continuity. The Alpha of any species fights to insure that the Beta always has the highest position. The Kings and all other men IOW, must rule as the power behind the throne but the Queen is the one who must always sit on that throne and rule over the King.

The research done by Mr. Haigt shows that the right wings of religions and politics show more concern with tribalism than do the left wings. It appears then that if we are to move to the most advantageous moral position then it is to the right wings to promote it. As an esoteric ecumenist and Gnostic Christian, I am the left of center and not in the best camp to sell the view that women should rule even as I recognize that they should. The right has been given a wakeup call thanks to president Obama being re-elected. FMPOV then, the right needs a new platform if they are to survive, as they should to balance the political spectrum.

Generally speaking only; women are the weaker of the sexes and are better places to know what the requirements of survival are and should thus rule. Women should then demand the full protection and sacrifice of the Alphas males as that is the natural order of hierarchical species and must be to insure survival. This sacrifice gives sanctity to our species and insures it’s longevity. The religious and political right seem better suited to lead towards this end.

In my opinion, men and women who do not agree with this premise are not taking the best moral position for families or for society at large. This issue is more in the hands of men than women and in that sense men would be more immoral than women if they do not deny women equality and place women above themselves.

Should the religious and political right take up this best moral position and demand that equality be denied to all women and demand that they be given their rightful and natural position above men?

Please see the research and logic behind this premise.

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DL

reply to post by Greatest I am


You realize alot has happened after the evolution of marriage.... right?

Like the invention of fire... and the wheel. There are alot of things in our daily lives that have changed after moving out of caves...

Assuming that females are weaker in todays enviroment is idiotic. Things have changed! Only religious fools hang on to these stoneage mindsets.

reply to post by Greatest I am


I hope you do realize the "science" that proves women as the weaker sex is quite false. Most of it originates from the early part of the 20th century where research was very one-sided. Women can be just as physically strong as men but are not encouraged to do so through early childhood socialization.

reply to post by MonkeyFishFrog


In a scientific, health perspective....

Are you saying if a boy and a girl were given the same amount of food and same amount of exercise, every day, they would have equal strength in 20 yrs?

i highly doubt it.

Men and women are NOT equal, the treatment both receive should be.

As the President of Iran is declaring that the Imam Mahdi will come "as a girl" and Mahdi in Sanskrit means "primordial mother"

As the Catholic Church is elevating Mary to higher and higher status than what we see in scripture...

As the occult, mystery religions and Hinduism think that the Kundilini spirit is a female...

And as Our Creator said to Adam

To Adam he said, "Because you listened to your wife and ate from the tree about which I commanded you, 'You must not eat of it,' "Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat of it all the days of your life. Genesis 3:7

I would say nope, not a good idea.

reply to post by WhoKnows100


Are you serious?

reply to post by luciddream


I disagree.

I think if you allowed or encourage women to be as physical and active as men from birth without the fear of "losing femininity" or becoming "too masculine" you would see negligible differences in physical ability including strength, endurance and stamina.

What you're talking about is not moral, its EVIL. Its absolutely beyond belief EVIL.

Women are equal, nor do they have to do the same thing that men do, we're substantively equal in our own unique ways.

Just so you know.

Inequality is the root of all evil in the universe and it leads to greed, rape, murder, wars, starvation, and infanticide, it is the most evil thing there is.

Reach up to progression and cast out all the programs the wolves have installed.

Also, equality never meant women intended to become wolves, army boys or compete physically. They don't have to. They can be themselves and consider that to be very primitive and crimes against humanity. They nurture life and already do work of equal value.

They hold their hands for men to lay down their spears and become peaceful. They won't join them, but invite.

To be very very clear on this issue, since so many equate equality with function.

All people, from infants to the elderly, male and female, healthy and handicapped, in every way, with all their diverse intelligence and gifts ARE EQUAL AS ARE. And all deserve the same respect as if they were TEMPLES HOUSING THE DIVINE, for they are, and full dignity of homes, land, gardens without slavery. EQUALITY.

And anything short of full equality without slavery is the WORST SIN IN THE UNIVERSE AND THE FOUNDATION OF ALL SIN.

And it is directly harming GOD, for the body is the temple of GOD.

I get what your saying. Your saying it's not that you think women aren't equal or shouldn't be treated as equals but because they give birth and keep the species alive by being the ovens for the cakes. That they should be coveted rather then put in the line of fire.

reply to post by WhoKnows100


I knew it!! I always suspected that the true reason that men historically suffocated women into a subservient position is because they knew that women are actually more powerful and smarter, and would eventually rule the world if given a chance to succeed.

Just kidding (kind of haha)

But seriously, regarding the OP: Any proposition of a society where either gender is in a "higher" position than the other can never evolve into a stable, happy society. History demonstrates this. The only way we will ever get to the point of a balanced, truly successful society is if each individual is accepted and respected for their own talents and contributions, regardless of their gender.

reply to post by Greatest I am

Women not having equal rights? Your right. Women are first have to stop wanting it both ways. If you are a Woman and desire equal pay...and I agree with this...you have to stop demanding all the perks that come from being a Woman.

I personally have no issue opening a door for a Lady as well as doing all the things that Women tend to expect from Men...but these things also are part of the reason that Women's Rights are so hard to obtain.
Split Infinity

reply to post by SplitInfinity


What "perks"? I'm pretty sure women would be happy to give up the door being held for them for equal pay and career advancement.

Originally posted by MonkeyFishFrog
reply to post by luciddream

 

I disagree.

I think if you allowed or encourage women to be as physical and active as men from birth without the fear of "losing femininity" or becoming "too masculine" you would see negligible differences in physical ability including strength, endurance and stamina.

There are plenty of years long studies that show you are wrong,though. 10x the testosterone is one of the most basic reasons.

reply to post by Greatest I am

The sacrifice that we must all do is deny women equality and give men a lower position in rulership. Men must bend the knee to women and elevate them to our ultimate sovereign.

Whoops... you dun goofed there.

reply to post by BlueAjah

Any proposition of a society where either gender is in a "higher" position than the other can never evolve into a stable, happy society.

Would you be so kind as to name a single stable, happy society?

Originally posted by MonkeyFishFrog
reply to post by SplitInfinity

 

What "perks"? I'm pretty sure women would be happy to give up the door being held for them for equal pay and career advancement.

edit on 11/13/2012 by MonkeyFishFrog because: (no reason given)

I have no doubt you are correct. I am an advocate for EQUAL RIGHTS...but I believe that Women are actually making it harder for themselves in this endeavour. I personally have no issue with opening a door for a Lady.
Split Infinity

reply to post by SplitInfinity


What is it that women do that sets them back? In what ways do women want it "both" ways?

How about what men do or say wanting it both ways? Like Romney wanted women in his cabinet BUT he would've also wanted flex hours so they can get home to make dinner. Viagra gets to be covered by health insurance but when a woman wants contraceptives to be covered she's a "slut".

Interesting post, although the second clip is a bit long for now.

In the OP however I'm a bit confused, because it seems to suggest that women should be respected because they "incubate life".

So when they're not pregnant, or beyond getting pregnant (or infertile), they are disposable, because that justification then no longer exists?
Pregnancy is the only reason given in the OP to respect women, so when they are not "human incubators", or unable to be so, then what justification remains to respect them by this reasoning?

And why should this make men, particularly "alpha males" more expendable via "sacrifice'?
What is meant here by sacrifice?
Sending them to war in the name of "tribalism" and the "conservative tribal chiefs"?

Why should men be happy with this?
Without their healthy seed there would be no female incubation.
So they are crucial to the process, and therefore just as worthy of preservation.
In fact men have no real biological clock, so by that reasoning one should rather send infertile and post-menopausal women to war, because their procreative function is over in any case.
Men could still procreate at that age.

So why sacrifice alpha males?
This seems more like an argument by weaker heterosexual males to get rid of alpha male competition (send them to war, or another dangerous job), and thus to have access to more women for themselves.
Not that I blame the weaker heterosexual specimens for trying to do this, since they sometimes do have quite a horrible time.

reply to post by MonkeyFishFrog

For some reason you have suggested that I am making a SHE HAD IT COMING...type of statement. This is not true and Men certainly have their own issues to deal with. I am simply making an observation. Men have similar issues in that they receive on average Greater Pay then Women...then when being forced to pay Alimony or Child Support...they complain that they must pay to a much greater degree than Women that would be in their circumstances.

I am again just making an OBSERVATION and this has NO BEARING upon how I personally feel about the issue.
Split Infinity

I'm book marking because for some wierd reason i think I will enjoy reading through some of your other threads.

Can't comment too much on this, but we are clearly not equal in any way shape or form, even how we process emotions and hormones is different.
Which is why she would need his council as much as he would need hers, and we're not there yet.

men and women are not equal nor are they the same, women can't beat a man on his scale and a man can't beat a woman on her scale. The way society is structured this issue will never end.