Prediction:Your Next Four years as the Republicans retaliate and Dems respond

reply to post by ripcontrol


So, at first you where going from the politicians and there actions and now you are going on the words of random liberals you know?

reply to post by Wolf321


you summed it up best this is still the greatest country on earth...

Some else did add to the numbers and the small percent is out there but overall I am doubtfull


If they succeed I see the results being temporary

reply to post by funnychick


No where in the behaviors of past actions has the Speaker of the house attempted to really work to get things done...

Also nothing to gain politically for that scenario... prediction wise it would take something larger to move them...

for Obama to accomplish anything it will not start till 2014....and its if the dems take the house without losing the senate

reply to post by Resurected


Please refrain from trying to steer the conversation into your biased politics... The mood of the country is part of the numbers and it was an example of how the leaders are ruling their sheep

Past political behaviors of the present leaders (with no changes in power structure) indicate no change in long term behaviors.. Short term... not enough...

reply to post by ripcontrol


How did i do that? I just asked you to clarify what you had said already.. I would also like to point out that i just took some time to go over your previous posts and threads. I see plenty of anti liberal posts.. I see socialism posts.. I see anti Obama posts.. Guess what i dont see?

reply to post by funnychick


The only thing about that is, Obama's ideas of improvement are not improvements in the sense of freedom. Obama's ideas of improvement is to make America more like nations in Europe or South America. Greater government control of individuals and business and less freedom as we would define them in the Bill of RIghts.

Another prediction to this is the jockeying for power

The name of the game is Seats on Committees
I am not one hundred percent sure of the rules for placement

However any requirement for bi partisan will get weak dems appointed to them in the House
with the opposite true in the senate

I see the Republicans shifting the Dems to less important Committees. Note membership on the committees is controlled by party loyalty with addition to how much money you bring your party in lobbying funds...


Unless the dems do something house is being solidified against them as is the Senate against the repubs... The only thing unifying behavior is the want of lobbyist money and the requirements the post has in donations

without this being changed... numbers stand...

The best laugh the american people might get is that the companies that gave money this season, might not like all they bought..

My prediction on this is buyers remorse might just affect the 2014 elections

reply to post by Resurected


me kissing up to people



Its nice to know you now have resorted to different tactics... the question was talking points of the Fox network did I use..

So far all you referred to was liberal redistribution...(I have yet to met a liberal who does not think this... DO you)



You assume by your glancing over previous post that I hold biased... let me help you with this

in relation to my predictions (since this thread is about the PREDICTIONS)

1) I believe gay couples have the right to be equally miserable as any other married couple

the economy could use the shot in the arm of the billions it would interject

I am still not sure which side would win Divorce lawyers or Weeding planners (cash wise)


2) The solution to a lot of our environmental problems are actually cheap and easy... both side to lazy to do what is necessary

ex- all output is require to be upstream of all intake

3)Business men are smarter then liberal think and conservatives for that matter
any tax passed will go directly to the consumer, not the business

modified tax code needed- badly


4)Taxes are not revenue
this one gripes me


5)I make 50 dollars a day
but borrow 75 a day

I go broke and starve

6)The military can safely be cut
with a competent surgeon with an eye on future development

Simple cut on waste and purchasing will trim hundreds of millions


7) Food Stamps and medical
Necessary for american citizens only
Drug test required- like any other things

children covered
elderly covered

8) all persons in our custody

regardless of accusations
afforded same civil rights period- democracy virus
(yes terrorist to or they win- it can be done with a single new court with clearance)
Our liberty is more important then security


9)Dont have billions for fence or boots

suggest uhf and painful sonics
cheaper and will work


10) Abortion, responsibility, and pedophiles (unification of laws nation wide)

this is were I am most confused

When is this society going to make a decision on ages here
this is something that needs to be decided one way or another not

Life begins when the baby is x months in womb
drunk driver in jail for manslaughter for causing death on unborn

well he killed a woman at twelve so life in prison, he has the ability to make decisions
a 15 year old was having sex with someone who is 25, poor thing cant make those types of decisions

time america grew and made some calls here

11)american farmer

needs massive aid in the form of development of water desalinization systems... to help prevent droughts in the future

12)social security
needs to be taken out of congresses general fund so it is there in the future

we can afford most these social programs if congress was honest


I tell you what lets make this easy on your non answers for the predictions..Ask and post the question in the interest of measuring what you feel is biased of My belief on a subject, so you can use it as a measuring stick to the biased parts of the prediction.. I want to make sure I have done my best to prove my intentions and have not tried to be biased in my predictions...

However it will not change how this turns out...

reply to post by ripcontrol


Seems i already c/p and italics the Fox news talking points.

I do appreciate you taking the time to lay out your ideals but i do think that a persons history and previous actions speak fairly loud.. Now to be honest it doesnt matter if you are right or left imo, but i do see a right lean to your previous posts..And i know i am not the only one because i saw you mention being "Accused" of conservative lean in the past.

None answers on predictions? I already went over the facts that i thought the right would obstruct the same as you said in the very first posts in this thread. So you can keep talking, or start reading.. Up to you.

And honestly i dont see how you can sit there and claim to not be unbiased in predictions when you use propaganda like "wealth redistribution" Also i dont see it when you set the model as first going off politicians actions then changing it when questioned to be what random people you know say. Hate to break it to you but i dont know one single liberal who believes in "wealth redistribution" thats just a right wing talking point.

Now, you go on and on about someone attempting to judge your biased.. Well, you are the person who claimed to not have biased yet showed it in your comments and in your history. I am sorry if you think others shouldnt question you on such actions but we all have to answer for our past.

You also seem to have missed a small point another poster brought up that I added to

The treatment of Ron Paul- his run was buried and ignored



The libertarians and other candidates ignored--

this is like a small wave building up- and is adding up majorly

include
The Tea Party fraud- post election but before they took office the Repubs had named a speaker????
Gingrich's behavior during his time as speaker- going after bill while screwing his secretary/ aide
Herman Cain's allegations he faced
not to mention Ross Perot's potential blackmail- remember the odd statement he made about threats against him


this is a major psych component usually filed under morale

my prediction:

obama has won, there's no more elections in his future, no more campaigning.
maybe he will pull up his sleeves and actually start doing some work??
maybe he will be a little more bold when it comes to taking on the more difficult problems, like social security and entitlements, ect...
and, maybe, just maybe...
things will soon become bad enough that even the most far right/left fools in congress will venture back into the middle ground and stop the political bickering!!!

hey, it could happen!! one can hope can't they??

I'm finding the results as far as the propositions and such quite interesting though...
and the congressional races.
seems like there may have been a backlash to the republican far right, overly conservative values....
legalization of weed in a few states, those who were running who made the mistake of opening their mouths about rape, well, alot of them are gone, the gay issues,.....
maybe the republicans will take notice and learn from the mistakes..

reply to post by ripcontrol


Ron Paul was pointless to be honest with you. I payed more attention to all that the first time around when it was Ralph Nader.. For the rest of RP though,lets look at Obamas term and all the filabusters.. Now take into account that RP was the lone vote on the majority of anything he ever brought up (not that those ideas bad) 4 years of RP would be 4 years of nothing done period. Going by your previous posts i know you to be quite intelligent and i have no doubts you know that yourself.

In short i am not against RP, Perrot, Dukakis etc but i wont sit here and pretend that the would save America. We both know that not true. Our government doesnt work like that.

*edit* sorry ment Ralph Nader and not Dukakis.

reply to post by Resurected


let me ask you this-
taxes take money from people

then some official gives it to others


taking from a to give to b is redistribution
money is usually wealth

so what pc term would you like used instead... taxation receiver reassignment...


As for past behavior, you yourself are quite guilty of the behavior you point out as mine...


I am glad your trying to see past the liberal/conservative dynamic...

This whole conversation really does go to reinforce my predictions and its the saddest part... both sides still give knee jerk reaction to embedded key words... Congress is worse, its why the predictions will play out

it really does make me sad that you cant see this part..




You feel now you have handled me properly and I am chastised for being seen as X, well you did this before excuse...



I am glad we kept it civil, have a good nights sleep

reply to post by ripcontrol


Wait, so you are attempting to say that no one should be taxed period? Maybe i was wrong and you dont understand how things work..

As for my past, i never claimed to be unbiased.. You did.

And no, this is not about "keywords" this is someone who uses rhetoric and someone else calling them out on that rhetoric. Yes, some people like the pure facts out there for others to judge. Not the facts on Fox News.

I see what you are attempting to say, i never claimed otherwise but it would get you quite a bit futher if you didnt have the banter mixed in. To me the sad part in this someone attempting to express an idea and attempts to come off as unbiased and at the same time mixes right wing propaganda into statments.

And i did this before what? Also chastised for being X? The only point i am making is by your history you are not as unbiased as you first claimed to be. Its a bit like Fox using the slogan "Fair and Balanced" Well, thats not exactly true is it.. But it really sounds great to those who dont know better and wont take the time to look into it. Well, thats what i am doing here.. Taking the time to look into it.

Of course it will get worse. Zero now gets to take the gloves off. Those of us with a modicum of intelligence know that it will get a LOT worse the next four years. Of course he's going to make his second term count and shred the remnants of the Constitution that are left. Whining isn't the issue fool. If you voted fro GAry Johnson then your will REALLY hate what's coming. Look, Romney would not have reversed most of what has been foisted on us but he would have slowed the rate of enchroachment of the federal government. Obama will undoubtedly get to appoint at least one or 2 SCOTUS justices and numerous fedral judges who will undoubtedly be quite happy to completely shred what's left of the 1st through the 10th amendments as well as the 22d amendment. So go pat yourself on the back and thank yourself for helping obama turn us into a presidential dictatorship.

Originally posted by Anundeniabletruth
Is this not called fear mongering? I almost feel like I'm watching Fox or CNN... Dude, come on, why are you people so butthurt over this? We knew it would happen and those of us with any kernel of intellect also know that it'll probably not get any better or worse during the next four years. We can only hope that the guy in office does what would seem logical and try to make his second term count, and for now none of us can offer any proof that he wont attempt to do so. He probably wont but I can't say for sure because I'm not crazy enough to believe that I have psychic powers and can predict the future.

I voted for Gary Johnson and he got screwed much harder than Romney but you don't see me whining about it like a little baby.

Originally posted by Wolf321
I came to the conclusion is the only thing I can do is hope to weather the storm and live in the preferred state of anarchy, as we try to rebuild when it all come crashing down.

I think this way on occasion and am usually ashamed of myself, as I like to think that I am a fighter of the good fight. Holding myself to a strong standard.

But today is one of those days where things look bleak indeed for our future, and the irony is that I knew it was coming regardless of the outcome.

Time to take a week off of thinking about the world I live in, get some R&R and come back rejuvinated.

I believe that the OP is spot on with his future assessments.

reply to post by Resurected


You call it progress. I call it tyranny.

OP

1) the republicans control more business then democrats

expect microsoft and the railroad guy( i forgot his name) to run into supply issues and legal battles

Layoffs will be occurring as soon as tomorrow morning

Obama wins -layoffs starting


first calls in from ATS member

Ararisq

I work for a company that has been on a hiring spree all year, adding 50+ jobs this year alone. Today, I got the call that my staff is being cut by over 75%. I have no idea how we'll be able to deliver our work next year, it just seems impossible.

I've heard some other anecdotal evidence that people are losing their jobs all across the company as businesses allocate what used to be salary to future taxes.

read on.. good thread


and

OP

4)gridlock in DC
no bipartisanship- nothing to gain

the o-man is not johnson... I see no deals being cut
Republicans will point to the white house as the source of the problems

Markets plummet

But with President Obama already saying he'll veto any agreement that doesn't raise taxes on the wealthiest Americans — one of his key campaign promises — and Republicans saying they won't agree to any tax hikes (period), it's hard to see a consensus emerging anytime soon.
The consensus remains that some deal will be reached prior to Dec. 31 -- when automatic spending cuts and tax hike take effect.

listen seems this cliff is a big deal and read on


Boehner lays down a marker

Washington (CNN) - Shortly after multiple networks projected that Republicans would retain control of the House, Speaker John Boehner took to the stage with a message that looked ahead to the battle over the fiscal cliff - the GOP isn't budging on taxes.

Ann Rand and the prophecy of Atlas Shrugged



it is on netflix

the speech by John Galt in Atlas Shrugged




I find it funny that for the garbage put out against this every one the whole point was that the tool used was a very liberal tool...

They went on strike






odd the analysis sounds familiar....

Sounds like it is predicting whats going now.... the question is for these predictions ...

Will the producers go on Strike?

It is becoming close, dang close...

in the end those running the show are using the book 1984 as a guide..I think those fighting might use Atlas Shrugged as thier's

This is my prediction in the end.. the states that enact liberal means will be broke like California... businesses will leave those states to less regulatory and lower tax states...

The government at the federal level will hit the profitable state tax base with robin hood like laws... Bailouts for the state governments are coming, to the tune of billions...

Congress will give the authority under the commerce clause and the SCOTUS will go that way for it 6-3


write that down