posted on Nov, 6 2012 @ 09:12 PM
reply to post by hp1229
After reading the replies after my last replay, your post is the one I am most interested in. You are bringing up some decent points to have a convo
Too late for that Civilization has advanced way too much since the stone age
Society does change overtime. It has to or else given society will fade away. Attempts to prevent society from changing always leads to a brutal
strict hierarchy in which class divisions run deep and progression is stamped out in favor of good old boy networks and fascism.
Not lazy perhaps but not savvy or smart either when it comes to making money
You must consider actual material conditions before making a statement about being savvy about ones money. I have seen first hand how social and
economic conditions can prevent someone from being able to attain any sort of wealth. There are many hard working common workers out there, despite
how hard they work or watch every penny they spend, simply cannot escape poverty or their working class status. The reason for this is very simple.
They do not get the full amount of the profit their production produces. Have you ever worked in a coal mine? I have, as well as many men in my
family, went underground into the dark hole to mine the black rock. It is very hard work and men are paid a very low wage while the owners of
production collect the surplus profit from the quality of labor and get rich. Despite the best efforts of the UWWA over the years, including fighting
directly with the mine owners in actual guerrilla warfare in West Virginia at the Battle of Blair Mountain, mine owners still cut corners, operate
highly dangerous mines, pay workers very low wage and engage in strong arm tactics against Union miners. People who are controlled by others, by way
of wage based capital, are unable to be savvy with their money. They are forced to live from pay check to pay check because they are not getting the
full profit from the value of their labor. They stay low on the social ladder because they are not in the privilege of the capital controlling upper
Its all part of business. Perhaps the laws should change on global/international/foreign trading between countries? In other words, 1 step forward 2
And this is the major problem. Business as usual in capitalism means people will suffer job will be destroyed in order to maintain a set profit margin
which the ruling capitalist class will not give up on or lower without a long hard fight. The common working class have little choice but to band
together and attempt to take more control over the means of production. The working class are the producers. They are actual producing something
material which profit can be gained from. The ruling capitalist only have capital; and capital and the means of production, which both things alone
will not create anything without labor. Without labor nothing happens.