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Thats the type of smug attituide you can expect from evolutionists on ATS. They will promise you the world and deliver only assumptions.
You are mixed up or misinformed, but happily this is curable.
Your link is typical of most creationist sites that just regurgitate false information.
This "proof" you have has nothing to do with evolution, but it has everything to do with creationist falsehoods and lies.
You can learn what evolution theory and biological science really says about the diversity of life on earth, but your not going to get from creationist propaganda.
Only when target food is no longer available. Thats part of the weird mystery about this, is that it's always the first choice. It's when its no longer available that there are problems or odditys in other food.
Hey fella,I've read everyt post and repy in this thread and i have utter respect and admiration for you.
You've fought you're corner tooth and nail against all comers with real determination yet it's such a shame !!
I admire you for the fight you've put up but your position is so inherently flawed that it"s just pure nonsense.
Either you're living proof that a little knowledge is dangerous or you're desire to believe is blinding you to what you're reading.
If you've genuinelly arrived at your conclusions through objective research as you claim then I suggest you take up knitting or something as you haven't got the faculties for critical thinking ;-(
Target foods for example,you could look at the way animals eat and develop a complex theory to describe it,encompassing intelligent design and direction which determined that each planet has the exact requirements to meet the needs of each species.Until god,martians,greys maybe decided to gather them all from their home planets and dumped them on Earth.
No reason for or evidence of this act to show by whom or to what end but you know it's imaginative i'll give you that.
Of course,you could look at animal feeding habits and suggest that species will favour foods most suited to their nutritional needs,dietry system and metabolism.
They'll favour what most easily available to them and abundant in their enviroment.
Target food is obviously chosen. The reason this is obvious is because we never see species randomly trying out rocks and dirt, to at least discover they don't like them. This tells you its not a "personal choice". Something else that tells you it's not personal choice is how all members of a species eat the exact same food, provided they all live where that food is avaialable. One again their "personal choice" has been pre determined.
This isn't chosen for them,no outside intelligence is directing them rather it's it's part learnt behaviour,part instinctive that's all.
You don't need any complex theory to explain that an animal will feed from the most suitable,accesible food in it's enviroment.If that goes it'll find the next most suitable and easy söurce.
Domesticated pets don't count as we determin what they eat. Aside from that, hungry animals will step outside the box for food, its another clue that the target food is no present.
If that's threatened they'll adapt if they can which can lead to specilising.
An example,my mother feeds the birds wi hanging up peanuts in bags,bits of lard on string,breadcrumbs etc.
They are either supposed to live in an areas where worms are available all year round, or worms are not a target food.
In winter they'll take advantage but in accordance with the law of target foods why arent they eating worms like they've been directed in good weather yet they eat the food she leaves out just as much in summer.Don't tell me sparrows,robins,finchs,blackbirds etc target food is breadcrumbs and lardcakes.
When you see animals acting this way, its because the target food is missing. So the question now becomes why and how. It is possible that the food is now extinct, just like why we are now headed into the 6th largest extinction right now. This is caused from all of these things being brought here to earth, and they don't belong together, only the apex preditors will survive, and its going on right now. We are looking at a 99% loss of all life as we know it.
How do urban foxes feeding from rubbish bins or that seagulls are more common in towns and citys than on the coasts now fit in with target foods ?
Yes I agree that most of what you have realized is animals without target food.
The answer is simple it doesnt because it's nonsense.Open your eyes and use some commön sense.Animals always have,always will exploit and adapt to any ready available source of food and that's instinct and need driving that plain and simple.
If target foods was real seagulls wouldnt thrive ön our waste food they'd be eating fish as programmed ye
Your assuming that is their target food, and your also assuming it is available in supply the way it was meant to be.
If target foods was real seagulls wouldnt thrive ön our waste food they'd be eating fish as programmed yet seagulls are as plentiful as rats in every city.
Parading target foods,pure psuedo science of the worst kind,as a major part of the case agaisnt evolution is a joke,along with the bible and the starchild.
And what science are you talking about? Biology? I have never seen a biology book that proved we share a common ancestor with apes. Of course there is always speculation but I stay away from those types of things.
After reading through this thread I have to say that you have to be the most willfully ignorant person I have ever seen on these threads. You ignore real science and substitute real knowledge for the craziest mojo you can find.
There is nothing deluded about understanding our history.
It is fine if you want to be deluded but you are trying to spread it to others. You offer nothing in the way of proof and not even a workable theory.
Ding! Ding! Ding! now we have a winner, uhm, that would be because I'm not pushing creation.
IF you are going to push creation theory you should find better arguments because the ones you are using are the worst I have heard so far.
Ya who needs an old book. I don't like the old biology books either. There are no provable foundations of evolution, just that there are changes. Thats it. It goes no further as the cause of those changes haven't been identified yet. So it doesn't make it open season for assumptions just because there are changes, heck I allready proved that ADHD can do that. You need to put the biology book down and pick up a common sense book.
Perhaps you should take up psychology you may be able to help yourself. It is amazing how you simply ignore the provable foundations of evolution but hey believe what you want I just think it is a shame that you do not apply yourself to seeking the truth instead or tying to justify some old book.
Originally posted by fastbob72
Actually it's easily solved ~
I evolved from apes,you came down on a sunbeam.
Well I have proven that evolution failed to properly decipher how a species determines what it eats.
You have not made good case or proven anything so there isn’t much to say to you. I am afraid that if I speak to you to long you would drag me down to your level. You can keep ranting though I am just letting you know that every time you do it shows everyone just how ignorant you are. I have never seen anyone destroy their own credibility as much as you have.
Why is it that when you see a simple behaviour in animals,instead of accepting a mundane,straight forward,common sense explantion you prefer a bizarre and unlikely one that isn't so self explanatory it clearly obvious.
I'll come back and lay our two viewpoints out side by side and show the differences though it's clearly pointless as the crux öf this whole business,you're clinging to the most flimsy of argumemnts in the face of sense,logic,proof cited over and over
is clear to me.
You will not accept evoluthon at all.You've accepted adaption early on which is a major part of the process.You've äccepted micro evolution aswell but still with real conviction evolution is a completely flawed so wrong.
Look,I appologise for my sarcasm and mocking your intelligence in my previous post.You've clearly göt intelligence because you clearly are able to debate but you're actual claims are proven bogus but you dismiss it.
You will not accept evolution,you accepted adaption and micro evolution with barely a fight but nothing will make you even consider it.Signed statements from god and Dr Pye awouldnt even make you take a
2nd look.It's not you're theory is far superior.You have target foods,the bible and refuseal to accept it.That's you're counter over 14 pages.Again it isnt you have a better theory,it's you won't accept animals that evolve over millenia into a retated,evolvded species.Yes they can adapt,pöllutants can be a factor.They can change in all kinds öf ways but not any change that you feel might be seen as animal to a related but superior thu evolution,point blank impossible you say.
Actually it's blatantly obvious why though you'll deny it.Why do you haue this blind hatred of evolution,what's behind it ??
Thats why you cant accept evolution,nothing else explains it as easily.
There we have it man evolved from a form of ape.If that idea had never been expressed you wouldnt think to query it !!!
100+ years after Darwin voiced this idea people can't go there.
It suggest mankind is related to an animal and to some thats abhorent.
Mankind is special,set apart and above.The bible,ancient aliens,we're were genetically engineered,anything but a simple product of this earth and just not a monkey that got smart.
That's why any unfounded idea is ok yet evolution is crazy.
If mankind is set apart,then we're special and so are you !!!
Poor bloody apes,it's not their fault.
One question ~ dö you accept humans are primates ??
you say i'm mad,,but being dumped here E.T is better than ape~man argument ??
One last point then feel free to respond in anyway.
Was feeling a little bit guilty suggesting you cant accept evolution for a reason l
that wasnt of the highest scientific ideal.
Thats what I think,probably shouldnt have said it (-;
Decided to research your target foods properly rather than respond to what you''ve explained it to be.
Target Food,Target Foods,Target Food Theory -
Googled all three,wikipedia too and find a single Reference to it.
So where do I find independant referance material for it,the theory,a history of it,who's theory,who endorses.
You said it was science fact yet it's not mentoned on google or wickepidia ??
Thats easy to say, but doesn't explain why no one has been able to debunk it.
Exactly,target foods is your own theory and it continually stating it over and over doesnt turn bull# nonsense into inspired thinking.
Of course if I were wrong, you would have no problem proving that, instead you just claim you don't want to dispute it, as I'm sold on it. LOL. Could it be that you can't prove me wrong because I'm not wrong?
look you win,i'm not wasting anymore of my time argueing this crap cos you are convinced you are right and repeating your same nonsense makes it true.
And with each time that I repeat it, you have the golden opportunity to prove me wrong, and out of all these chances, you haven't.
you have proved that if you keep saying the same thing over and over and over people the whole thing up as pointless cos it is.
I know you'll consider it a moral victory and vindication of target foods.
The more there is involved, the easier it should be for you to prove me wrong. Instead, you insist that I'm just wrong. Aside from it obviously not agreeing with evolution, can you name one part that can be proven wrong?
You've created a whole complex phenomena fröm behaviour based on evironment,availabiliy and adaption and instinct.
No it's true because not a single person has proven it wrong.
It really is the most chlldlike,pathetic,drivel i've ever heard,,your arguement goes its true because i say it,i say it because its true ad infinitum !