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Topic started on 29-9-2012 @ 10:53 PM by Swills

Not Even the White House Knows the Drones' Body Count


www.wired.com
Government officials claim they’re ultra-precise killing machines that never, ever miss their targets. Outside groups say they’re covered in children’s blood. The fact is no one has a clue exactly how many militants and how many innocents have been slain in the U.S. drone war that spans from Pakistan to Somalia. Remember that before you start your next Twitter feud about the drone war.
(visit the link for the full news article)


reply posted on 29-9-2012 @ 10:53 PM by Swills
This is a fantastic article about the drone war going on in the Middle East and Africa. According to Wired the drone strike body count is at best an educated guess.

Neither the American government nor the independent agencies have the consistent presence on the ground needed to put together true assessments of the damage drone strikes do. Most of the evidence is third-hand, whispered from a local soldier to a far-off reporter. The death toll claims, which vary wildly, are all educated guesswork.


The article goes on talking about the White House's claims from the NY Times that civilian death counts are in the single digit but as per usual the Gov't is lying and at best the politicians don't know the real body counts because not only is the information about the drone strike aftermath limited and shaky but the strikes themselves are compartmentalized and secret. So the Obama administration doesn't even have full knowledge of whats being hit and not. There are those who know, or at least have a better idea, but they don't talk about their missions.

The article goes on and makes other great points such as a drone strike gone wrong in Pakistan, ie civilians killed and/or property destroyed, and there is NO restitution paid to the Pakistanis. Not only that, but if you're a young male living in an area that the many many drones are constantly patrolling then you are considered a suspect by default.

The article is a real eye opener and should give any American an idea of what's to come to a sky near them real soon.

www.wired.com
(visit the link for the full news article)
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reply posted on 29-9-2012 @ 10:59 PM by gladtobehere
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Typical government BS. Seems like everyone knows except them.

Drone attacks are 'killing 49 people for every known terrorist in Pakistan'

Researchers added that traumatic effects of the strikes go far beyond fatalities, psychologically battering a population which lives under the daily threat of annihilation from the air, and ruining the local economy.

"Known terrorist". Wonder what he or she did to earn that title, wake up in the morning?

Not if, but when the US experiences blowback as result of these attacks, think they'll acknowledge their own actions or just shove the same old "terrorist terrorist, Moslem, Islam, they wanna kill us all" propaganda down our throats?

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reply posted on 30-9-2012 @ 12:31 AM by neo96
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The use of drones, however, is a disgusting act. It takes the human element out of warfare and replaces it with an aloof "video-game" approach. I hate the use of drones and abhor their "success" rates.


Waiting for the day that those suicide bombers finally figure out they don't actually respawn.


reply posted on 30-9-2012 @ 12:41 AM by beezzer
Originally posted by neo96
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The use of drones, however, is a disgusting act. It takes the human element out of warfare and replaces it with an aloof "video-game" approach. I hate the use of drones and abhor their "success" rates.


Waiting for the day that those suicide bombers finally figure out they don't actually respawn.


Amen!

I'm also waiting for the day when there are no wars. Probably gonna be a long wait.


reply posted on 30-9-2012 @ 03:10 AM by longlostbrother
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First, there will not be armed drones in US skies, raining missles down on the US civilian population.

Second, show me a President that knew accurately how many people their bombs killed.


Go on...

How many people died in Fallujuh?

Dresden?

Hiroshima?

Waterloo?

It's un-knowable. Always has been.



reply posted on 30-9-2012 @ 05:03 AM by beezzer
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War is "easier" when the good guys don't get all blowed up.

Unfortunately, that makes war more palatable when it's seen as "Gears Of War" on a Nintendo screen.

War should never been seen as palatable. War should never be seen as just another choice. Ultimately, MORE fine soldiers will die simply because there will be more of these video-game style wars.

In my humble opinion.


reply posted on 30-9-2012 @ 05:04 AM by longlostbrother
Originally posted by beezzer
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War is "easier" when the good guys don't get all blowed up.

Unfortunately, that makes war more palatable when it's seen as "Gears Of War" on a Nintendo screen.

War should never been seen as palatable. War should never be seen as just another choice. Ultimately, MORE fine soldiers will die simply because there will be more of these video-game style wars.

In my humble opinion.


We agree 100%


reply posted on 30-9-2012 @ 10:50 AM by justwokeup
Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
Originally posted by justwokeup

The problem is censorship of war reporting, it should be illegal. Average joe in the street should see the spilled children's brains and entrails while he's eating his TV dinner. Then we'll really evaluate whether its necessary or not.


I agree. Let's put on TV news of the carnage wrought by radical Islamist suicide bombers all over the world. Show the world the innocent, men, women and children's brains all spilling out from the carnages wrought by those monsters.

Let's show Iran's use of mere children being blown up to clear mine fields for that soldiers can cross into Iraq terroritories during their war with Iraq.

Let's show Syria's regime's torturings, execution, butchering and slaughtering of innocent men, women and children for the past decades..

Want more? Let's not be bias. I am all for end of wars. But it takes one to start and another to end it. Screaming and tearing your heart against the good guys aint gonna stop wars.

How many drone kills were there? Why not ask - how many innocent men, women and children around the world had been saved from those known terrorists done dead by drones?
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I agree. Let the world be seen without a filter.

If whats seen is distorted/filtered then judgements on whether the pain and death is essential/unavoidable cannot be made.
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