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Originally posted by Vaedur
Go ahead and see what happens, thats just fancyful dreaming and unrealistic. Its an excuse to not take action.
Originally posted by Vaedur
I can not deny your logic there. But isnt it time we give someone else a chance. Wouldnt it make that statement we are fed up with the way things are? Im done pretending anything can be done without utalizing what realistic optins we have, and I cannot think of a better one then to end this Rep and Dem control BS. The more third parties in office the more we open it up to others.
Originally posted by OMsk3ptic
Yes, Im sure 3rd party candidates are immune to greed and coercion. If you vote 3rd party, then that party will just become a target for the same corruption.
That is pretty much how ii feel. Im trying to be realistic. 1776 & 2012 are different times. Americans would be whiped out trying revolution and the second ammendment would disappear.
Originally posted by hawkiye
reply to post by Vaedur
if you going to vote 3rd party at least vote for a candidate that can actually win by being on all 50 ballots. That is Gary Johnson.
I am one who agrees voting is rigged however I have decided to vote for Gary Johnson because if enough Americans go this route and they steal the election anyway then that will wake a whole lot more up if nothing else.
Originally posted by Vaedur
]That is pretty much how ii feel. Im trying to be realistic. 1776 & 2012 are different times. Americans would be whiped out trying revolution and the second ammendment would disappear.
i think all of your points are valid and you are probably right. Except the social media youth are actually ready for a change. They can be reached. Most people under 30 wont vote, they know its a sham. Thats why 2016 is our best shot. They know who jesse v is. If we can get the ball rolling by all influencing someone else, maybe not this year, but in the future the goal of breaking the duopoly is obtainable. I might be wrong, but i honest believe this.
Originally posted by MrWendal
Originally posted by Vaedur
]That is pretty much how ii feel. Im trying to be realistic. 1776 & 2012 are different times. Americans would be whiped out trying revolution and the second ammendment would disappear.
Wiped out by who?
The US can't wipe out Afghanistan, a country of cave dwellers and goat herders. Iraq gave us one huge headache.. and they were outgunned as well.
The human spirit is an amazing thing, I would not dismiss it so easily.
That being said, revolution does not always mean armed. Iceland had a Revolution, replaced their Government, arrested the bankers, rewrote their Constitution and not a single shot was fired. Spain is certainly an interesting place to be right now as they are having a Revolution of their own, and no one is shooting each other in the streets.
I intend to vote for Gary Johnson myself, but let us be honest..... he won't win. He will get (if he is lucky) 10% of the vote. Meanwhile Congress will still be full of Democrats and Republicans, a Democrat or Republican will be in the White House, the sheep of this country who get their so called "news" from the MSM and will still be brainwashed and continue to vote for the Big 2 while they argue over abortion and gay marriage.
So just how long do you think it will take to effect any kind of real change voting third party and still losing in every election? Just what exactly is being accomplished with this strategy other than conceding elections every 4 years to Candidates from the Big 2 Parties?
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