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Alister crowley was paid off in drugs to sabotage the Golden Dawns name.....

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posted on Sep, 29 2012 @ 12:04 AM
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He was really a spy and worked for all the elite leeches...Christ of the new age was to be from the golden dawn...But anything that represents the hermetic order of the golden dawn brings to mind evil...because alster crowley was tuaght in the golden dawn hermetics. Hermetics is NOT evil. WHy would they do this?

Lets see, as an example the romans killed all the children under 5 or somthing like that, so that jesus would not be born.

Hermetics is like a knife a very usfull tool to cut cheese with orbe a dangrous weapon.

This is what hermetics is about.

(Your thoughts?) Come on watchers of the watchers....etc.

Helps to keep the sheeples spiritual intelligence at about a mongoloid level.



I need your help to awaken as many people as you know to hermetics. Stay on the GOD aligning side of the force.

Where are my illuminated friends?



www.sacred-texts.com...


The Emerald Tablet of Hermes



History of the Tablet
History of the Tablet (largely summarised from Needham 1980, & Holmyard 1957)

The Tablet probably first appeared in the West in editions of the psuedo-Aristotlean Secretum Secretorum which was actually a translation of the Kitab Sirr al-Asar, a book of advice to kings which was translated into latin by Johannes Hispalensis c. 1140 and by Philip of Tripoli c.1243. Other translations of the Tablet may have been made during the same period by Plato of Tivoli and Hugh of Santalla, perhaps from different sources.
The date of the Kitab Sirr al-Asar is uncertain, though c.800 has been suggested and it is not clear when the tablet became part of this work.
Holmyard was the first to find another early arabic version (Ruska found a 12th centruy recension claiming to have been dictated by Sergius of Nablus) in the Kitab Ustuqus al-Uss al-Thani (Second Book of the Elements of Foundation) attributed to Jabir. Shortly after Ruska found another version appended to the Kitab Sirr al-Khaliqa wa San`at al-Tabi`a (Book of the Secret of Creation and the Art of Nature), which is also known as the Kitab Balaniyus al-Hakim fi'l-`Ilal (book of Balinas the wise on the Causes). It has been proposed that this book was written may have been written as early as 650, and was definitely finished by the Caliphate of al-Ma'mun (813-33).
Scholars have seen similarities between this book and the Syriac Book of Treasures written by Job of Odessa (9th century) and more interestingly the Greek writings of the bishop Nemesius of Emesa in Syria from the mid fourth century. However though this suggests a possible Syriac source, non of these writings contain the tablet.
Balinas is usually identified with Apollonius of Tyna, but there is little evidence to connect him with the Kitab Balabiyus, and even if there was,the story implies that Balinas found the tablet rather than wrote it, and the recent discoveries of the dead sea scrolls and the nag hamamdi texts suggest that hiding texts in caves is not impossible, even if we did not have the pyramids before us.
Ruska has suggested an origin further east, and Needham has proposed an origin in China.
Holmyard, Davis and Anon all consider that this Tablet may be one of the earliest of all alchemical works we have that survives.
It should be remarked that apparantly the Greeks and Egyptians used the termtranslated as `emerald' for emeralds, green granites, "and perhaps green jasper". In medieval times the emerald table of the Gothic kings of Spain, and the Sacro catino- a dish said to have belonged to the Queen of Sheba, to have been used at the last supper, and to be made of emerald, were made of green glass [Steele and Singer: 488].




Translations

From Jabir ibn Hayyan.


0) Balinas mentions the engraving on the table in the hand of Hermes, which says:
1) Truth! Certainty! That in which there is no doubt!
2) That which is above is from that which is below, and that which is below is from that which is above, working the miracles of one.
3) As all things were from one.
4) Its father is the Sun and its mother the Moon.
5) The Earth carried it in her belly, and the Wind nourished it in her belly,
7) as Earth which shall become Fire.
7a) Feed the Earth from that which is subtle, with the greatest power.
8) It ascends from the earth to the heaven and becomes ruler over that which is above and that which is below.
14) And I have already explained the meaning of the whole of this in two of these books of mine.
[Holmyard 1923: 562.]



Another Arabic Version (from the German of Ruska, translated by ‘Anonymous').



0) Here is that which the priest Sagijus of Nabulus has dictated concerning the entrance of Balinas into the hidden chamber... After my entrance into the chamber, where the talisman was set up, I came up to an old man sitting on a golden throne, who was holding an emerald table in one hand. And behold the following - in Syriac, the primordial language- was written thereon:
1) Here (is) a true explanation, concerning which there can be no doubt.
2) It attests: The above from the below, and the below from the above -the work of the miracle of the One.
3) And things have been from this primal substance through a single act. How wonderful is this work! It is the main (principle) of the world and is its maintainer.
4) Its father is the sun and its mother the moon; the
5) wind has borne it in its body, and the earth has nourished it.
6) the father of talismen and the protector of miracles
6a) whose powers are perfect, and whose lights are confirmed (?),
7) a fire that becomes earth.
7a) Separate the earth from the fire, so you will attain the subtle as more inherent than the gross, with care and sagacity.
8) It rises from earth to heaven, so as to draw the lights of the heights to itself, and descends to the earth; thus within it are the forces of the above and the below;
9) because the light of lights within it, thus does the darkness flee before it.
10) The force of forces, which overcomes every subtle thing and penetrates into everything gross.
11) The structure of the microcosm is in accordance with the structure of the macrocosm.
12) And accordingly proceed the knowledgeable.
13) And to this aspired Hermes, who was threefold graced with wisdom.
14) And this is his last book, which he concealed in the chamber.
[Anon 1985: 24-5]



Twelfth Century Latin



0) When I entered into the cave, I received the tablet zaradi, which was inscribed, from between the hands of Hermes, in which I discovered these words:
1) True, without falsehood, certain, most certain.
2) What is above is like what is below, and what is below is like that which is above. To make the miracle of the one thing.
3) And as all things were made from contemplation of one, so all things were born from one adaptation.
4) Its father is the Sun, its mother is the Moon.
5) The wind carried it in its womb, the earth breast fed it.
6) It is the father of all ‘works of wonder' (Telesmi) in the world.
6a) Its power is complete (integra).
7) If cast to (turned towards- versa fuerit) earth,
7a) it will separate earth from fire, the subtile from the gross.
8) With great capacity it ascends from earth to heaven. Again it descends to earth, and takes back the power of the above and the below.
9) Thus you will receive the glory of the distinctiveness of the world. All obscurity will flee from you.
10) This is the whole most strong strength of all strength, for it overcomes all subtle things, and penetrates all solid things.
11a) Thus was the world created.
12) From this comes marvelous adaptions of which this is the proceedure.
13) Therefore I am called Hermes, because I have three parts of the wisdom of the whole world.
14) And complete is what I had to say about the work of the Sun, from the book of Galieni Alfachimi.
[From Latin in Steele and Singer 1928: 492.]



Translation from Aurelium Occultae Philosophorum..Georgio Beato



1) This is true and remote from all cover of falsehood
2) Whatever is below is similar to that which is above. Through this the marvels of the work of one thing are procured and perfected.
3) Also, as all things are made from one, by the condsideration of one, so all things were made from this one, by conjunction.
4) The father of it is the sun, the mother the moon.
5) The wind bore it in the womb. Its nurse is the earth, the mother of all perfection.
6a)Its power is perfected.
7) If it is turned into earth,
7a) separate the earth from the fire, the subtle and thin from the crude and course, prudently, with modesty and wisdom.
8) This ascends from the earth into the sky and again descends from the sky to the earth, and receives the power and efficacy of things above and of things below.
9) By this means you will acquire the glory of the whole world, and so you will drive away all shadows and blindness.
10) For this by its fortitude snatches the palm from all other fortitude and power. For it is able to penetrate and subdue everything subtle and everything crude and hard.
11a) By this means the world was founded
12) and hence the marvelous cojunctions of it and admirable effects, since this is the way by which these marvels may be brought about.
13) And because of this they have called me Hermes Tristmegistus since I have the three parts of the wisdom and Philsosphy of the whole universe.
14) My speech is finished which i have spoken concerning the solar work
[Davis 1926: 874.]




Translation of Issac Newton c. 1680.



1) Tis true without lying, certain & most true.
2) That wch is below is like that wch is above & that wch is above is like yt wch is below to do ye miracles of one only thing.
3) And as all things have been & arose from one by ye mediation of one: so all things have their birth from this one thing by adaptation.
4) The Sun is its father, the moon its mother,
5) the wind hath carried it in its belly, the earth its nourse.
6) The father of all perfection in ye whole world is here.
7) Its force or power is entire if it be converted into earth.
7a) Seperate thou ye earth from ye fire, ye subtile from the gross sweetly wth great indoustry.
8) It ascends from ye earth to ye heaven & again it desends to ye earth and receives ye force of things superior & inferior.
9) By this means you shall have ye glory of ye whole world & thereby all obscurity shall fly from you.
10) Its force is above all force. ffor it vanquishes every subtile thing & penetrates every solid thing.
11a) So was ye world created.
12) From this are & do come admirable adaptaions whereof ye means (Or process) is here in this.
13) Hence I am called Hermes Trismegist, having the three parts of ye philosophy of ye whole world.
14) That wch I have said of ye operation of ye Sun is accomplished & ended.
[Dobbs 1988: 183-4.]



Translation from Kriegsmann (?) alledgedly from the Phoenician



1) I speak truly, not falsely, certainly and most truly
2) These things below with those above and those with these join forces again so that they produce a single thing the most wonderful of all.
3)And as the whole universe was brought forth from one by the word of one GOD, so also all things are regenerated perpetually from this one according to the disposition of Nature.
4) It has the Sun for father and the Moon for mother:
5) it is carried by the air as if in a womb, it is nursed by the earth.
6) It is the cause, this, of all perfection of all things throughout the universe.
6a) This will attain the highest perfection of powers
7) if it shall be reduced into earth
7a) Distribute here the earth and there the fire, thin out the density of this the suavest (suavissima) thing of all.
8)Ascend with the greatest sagacity of genius from the earth into the sky, and thence descend again to the earth, and recognise that the forces of things above and of things below are one,
9) so as to posses the glory of the whole world- and beyond this man of abject fate may have nothing further.
10)This thing itself presently comes forth stronger by reasons of this fortitude: it subdues all bodies surely, whether tenuous or solid, by penetrating them.
11a) And so everything whatsoever that the world contains was created.
12) Hence admirable works are accomplished which are instituted (carried out- instituuntur) according to the same mode.
13) To me therefor the name of Hermes Trismegistus has been awarded because I am discovered as the Teacher of the three parts of the wisdom of the world.
14) These then are the considerations which I have concluded ought to be written down concerning the readiest operations of the Chymic art.
[Davis 1926: 875 slightly modified.]




From Sigismund Bacstrom (allegedly translated from Chaldean).



0) The Secret Works of CHIRAM ONE in essence, but three in aspect.
1) It is true, no lie, certain and to be depended upon,
2) the superior agrees with the inferior, and the inferior agrees with the superior, to effect that one truly wonderful work.
3) As all things owe their existence to the will of the only one, so all things owe their origin to the one only thing, the most hidden by the arrangement of the only God.
4) The father of that one only thing is the sun its mother is the moon,
5) the wind carries it in its belly; but its nourse is a spirituous earth.
6) That one only thing is the father of all things in the Universe.
6a) Its power is perfect,
7) after it has been united with a spirituous earth.
7a) Separate that spirituous earth from the dense or crude by means of a gentle heat, with much attention.
8) In great measure it ascends from the earth up to heaven, and descends again, newborn, on the earth, and the superior and the inferior are increased in power.
9) By this wilt thou partake of the honours of the whole world. And Darkness will fly from thee.
10) This is the strength of all powers. With this thou wilt be able to overcome all things and transmute all what is fine and what is coarse.
11a) In this manner the world was created;
12) the arrangements to follow this road are hidden.
13) For this reason I am called Chiram Telat Mechasot, one in essence, but three in aspect. In this trinity is hidden the wisdom of the whole world.
14) It is ended now, what I have said concerning the effects of the sun. Finish of the Tabula Smaragdina.
[See Hall 1977: CLVIII,]



From Madame Blavatsky



2) What is below is like that which is above, and what is above is similar to that which is below to accomplish the wonders of the one thing.
3) As all things were produced by the mediation of one being, so all things were produced from this one by adaption.
4) Its father is the sun, its mother the moon.
6a) It is the cause of all perfection throughout the whole earth.
7) Its power is perfect if it is changed into earth.
7a) Separate the earth from the fire, the subtile from the gross, acting prudently and with judgement.
8 ) Ascend with the greatest sagacity from earth to heaven, and unite together the power of things inferior and superior;
9) thus you will possess the light of the whole world, and all obscurity will fly away from you.
10) This thing has more fortitude than fortitude itself, because it will overcome every subtile thing and penetrate every solid thing.
11a) By it the world was formed.
[Blavatsky 1972: 507.]



From Fulcanelli (translated from the French by Sieveking)



1) This is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth:-
2) As below, so above; and as above so below. With this knowledge alone you may work miracles.
3) And since all things exist in and eminate from the ONE Who is the ultimate Cause, so all things are born after their kind from this ONE.
4) The Sun is the father, the Moon the mother;
5) the wind carried it in his belly. Earth is its nurse and its guardian.
6) It is the Father of all things,
6a) the eternal Will is contained in it.
7) Here, on earth, its strength, its power remain one and undivded.
7a) Earth must be separated from fire, the subtle from the dense, gently with unremitting care.
8) It arises from the earth and descends from heaven; it gathers to itself the strength of things above and things below.
9) By means of this one thing all the glory of the world shall be yours and all obscurity flee from you.
10) It is power, strong with the strength of all power, for it will penetrate all mysteries and dispel all ignorance.
11a) By it the world was created.
12) From it are born manifold wonders, the means to achieving which are here given
13) It is for this reason that I am called Hermes Trismegistus; for I possess the three essentials of the philosophy of the universe.
14) This is is the sum total of the work of the Sun.
[Sadoul 1972: 25-6.]



From Fulcanelli, new translation



1) It is true without untruth, certain and most true:
2) that which is below is like that which is on high, and that which is on high is like that which is below; by these things are made the miracles of one thing.
3) And as all things are, and come from One, by the mediation of One, So all things are born from this unique thing by adaption.
4) The Sun is the father and the Moon the mother.
5) The wind carries it in its stomach. The earth is its nourisher and its receptacle.
6 The Father of all the Theleme of the universal world is here.
6a) Its force, or power, remains entire,
7) if it is converted into earth.
7a) You separate the earth from the fire, the subtle from the gross, gently with great industry.
8) It climbs from the earth and descends from the sky, and receives the force of things superior and things inferior.
9) You will have by this way, the glory of the world and all obscurity will flee from you.
10) It is the power strong with all power, for it will defeat every subtle thing and penetrate every solid thing
11a) In this way the world was created.
12) From it are born wonderful adaptations, of which the way here is given.
13) That is why I have been called Hermes Tristmegistus, having the three parts of the universal philosophy.
14) This, that I have called the solar Work, is complete.
[Translated from Fulcanelli 1964: 312.]



From Idres Shah



1) The truth, certainty, truest, without untruth.
2 )What is above is like what is below. What is below is like what is above. The miracle of unity is to be attained.
3) Everything is formed from the contemplation of unity, and all things come about from unity, by means of adaptation.
4) Its parents are the Sun and Moon.
5) It was borne by the wind and nurtured by the Earth.
6) Every wonder is from it
6a) and its power is complete.
7) Throw it upon earth,
7a) and earth will separate from fire. The impalbable separated from the palpable.
8) Through wisdom it rises slowly from the world to heaven. Then it descends to the world combining the power of the upper and the lower.
9 )Thus you will have the illumination of all the world, and darkness will disappear.
10) This is the power of all strength- it overcomes that which is delicate and penetrates through solids.
11a) This was the means of the creation of the world.
12) And in the future wonderful developements will be made, and this is the way.
13) I am Hermes the Threefold Sage, so named because I hold the three elements of all wisdom.
14) And thus ends the revelation of the work of the Sun.
(Shah 1964: 198).



Hypothetical Chinese Original



1) True, true, with no room for doubt, certain, worthy of all trust.
2) See, the highest comes from the lowest, and the lowest from the highest; indeed a marvelous work of the tao.
3) See how all things originated from It by a single process.
4) The father of it (the elixir) is the sun (Yang), its mother the moon (Yin).
5) The wind bore it in its belly, and the earth nourished it.
6 )This is the father of wondrous works (changes and transformations), the guardian of mysteries,
6a) perfect in its powers, the animator of lights.
7) This fire will be poured upon the earth...
7a) So separate the earth from the fire, the subtle from the gross, acting prudently and with art.
8) It ascends from the earth to the heavens (and orders the lights above), then descends again to the earth; and in it is the power of the highest and the lowest.
9) Thus when you have the light of lights darkness will flee away from you.
10) With this power of powers (the elixir) you shall be able to get the mastery of every subtle thing, and be able to penetrate everything that is gross.
11a) In this way was the great world itself formed.
12) Hence thus and thus marvellous operations will be acheived.
[Slightly altered from Needham 1980: 371.]



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posted on Sep, 29 2012 @ 12:40 AM
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what has fat boy slim got to do with it?

couldn't watch the videos, disabled in my country apparently.

tell me more..



posted on Sep, 29 2012 @ 12:46 AM
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Originally posted by truthseeker10
what has fat boy slim got to do with it?

couldn't watch the videos, disabled in my country apparently.

tell me more..



Fat boy slim gots nothing to do with it..I was using the video to call out the hermitists on this site.

SO I need a teacher. They say the teacher will come as soon as the student is ready.

Am I the only crazy diamond on here?




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posted on Sep, 29 2012 @ 01:06 AM
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Crowley didn't sabotage The Golden Dawn. He was originally refused as a candidate for his Adeptus grade (A grade he was more than qualified to claim) because of already evident political rifts within the Order, between the faction that had ousted Westcott as Cancellarious, and Mathers. When Crowley was refused by the London Temple, Mathers initiated Crowley to Adeptus Minor grade in the Paris Temple, thereby giving Crowley his mandate to found his Argentum.Astrum order, his Temple of Thelema, and his appointment as Outer Head of the O.T.O. The following schisms that tore the order apart had nothing to do with Crowley.

He only needed the Adeptus grade for his mandate, and left the Order as soon as he was initiated. As for him getting "paid off in drugs", that's a ridiculous claim. Drugs were cheap and readily available at the time, and Crowley wasn't exactly short of a few quid. Yes, he did use his O.T.O connections to help MI5 during WWII, most notably, to secure the defection of Rudolf Hesse.

Hesse (briefed by Crowley) expected to be welcomed as an Angel of peace when he parachuted in to Scotland. Crowley told him he would be taken straight to the King and Churchill, where they would agree terms, and end the War. Instead, he was locked up in The Tower of London for the duration of the War, and then in Spandau, until his death. MI5 saw Hesse as the biggest threat to Hitler's position as Fuhrer, and as Hitler was quite obviously by this point leading Germany towards utter defeat, they wanted Hesse out of the way. So Crowley obliged, because he was head of the O.T.O, and most of the Nazi elite belonged to this order.

The Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn had served it's purpose, initiating Crowley, so he could carry on the Hermetic Tradition, (And be declared as herald of the New Dawn, of the crowned and conquering Horus) ushering in the new age, and bringing the light of the East, to the West.



posted on Sep, 29 2012 @ 01:24 AM
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Originally posted by BadBeast
Crowley didn't sabotage The Golden Dawn. He was originally refused as a candidate for his Adeptus grade (A grade he was more than qualified to claim) because of already evident political rifts within the Order, between the faction that had ousted Westcott as Cancellarious, and Mathers. When Crowley was refused by the London Temple, Mathers initiated Crowley to Adeptus Minor grade in the Paris Temple, thereby giving Crowley his mandate to found his Argentum.Astrum order, his Temple of Thelema, and his appointment as Outer Head of the O.T.O. The following schisms that tore the order apart had nothing to do with Crowley.

He only needed the Adeptus grade for his mandate, and left the Order as soon as he was initiated. As for him getting "paid off in drugs", that's a ridiculous claim. Drugs were cheap and readily available at the time, and Crowley wasn't exactly short of a few quid. Yes, he did use his O.T.O connections to help MI5 during WWII, most notably, to secure the defection of Rudolf Hesse.

Hesse (briefed by Crowley) expected to be welcomed as an Angel of peace when he parachuted in to Scotland. Crowley told him he would be taken straight to the King and Churchill, where they would agree terms, and end the War. Instead, he was locked up in The Tower of London for the duration of the War, and then in Spandau, until his death. MI5 saw Hesse as the biggest threat to Hitler's position as Fuhrer, and as Hitler was quite obviously by this point leading Germany towards utter defeat, they wanted Hesse out of the way. So Crowley obliged, because he was head of the O.T.O, and most of the Nazi elite belonged to this order.

The Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn had served it's purpose, initiating Crowley, so he could carry on the Hermetic Tradition, (And be declared as herald of the New Dawn, of the crowned and conquering Horus) ushering in the new age, and bringing the light of the East, to the West.


You have to admit that not ALL of the golden dawn initiates are evil like crowley... "Magick without tears" Is pure evil. Maybe satan was behind him making the golden dawn look bad.
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posted on Sep, 29 2012 @ 02:21 AM
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Crowley wasn't evil. That "Evilest man alive" title was from a Daily Mail headline. How was he "evil"? What did he do that even suggests this?



posted on Sep, 29 2012 @ 02:29 AM
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Originally posted by BadBeast
Crowley wasn't evil. That "Evilest man alive" title was from a Daily Mail headline. How was he "evil"? What did he do that even suggests this?


In one of his books, he says to sacrafice human children. When I read that I put the book down and was like this is the most evil man in the world....but he had Magick.....I have the magick to program reality, when in past present future.



posted on Oct, 2 2012 @ 12:46 PM
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Originally posted by IdiotSavantSurrealist

Originally posted by BadBeast
Crowley wasn't evil. That "Evilest man alive" title was from a Daily Mail headline. How was he "evil"? What did he do that even suggests this?


In one of his books, he says to sacrafice human children. When I read that I put the book down and was like this is the most evil man in the world....but he had Magick.....I have the magick to program reality, when in past present future.
Yeah, I'm fairly certain he didn't mean that literally. He was Trolling. And the fact that people (even today) read that and think he meant it literally, suggests to me he's STILL Trolling. Shiit, Crowley just about invented modern Trolling. It was an allegorical reference that's not even that difficult to work out.



posted on Nov, 12 2012 @ 03:11 AM
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Crowley's "sacrificing children" is actually from his Magick in Theory and Practice.

the following is from hermetic.com... , chapter twelve,...


"For the highest spiritual working one must accordingly choose that victim which contains the greatest and purest force. A male child of perfect innocence and high intelligence"

the following two paragraphs are footnotes to that page in the actual book itself (i used to own a h/b copy)

It appears from the Magical Records of Frater Perdurabo that He made this particular sacrifice on an average about 150 times every year between 1912 e.v. and 1928 e.v. Contrast J.K.Huyman's "La-Bas", where a perverted form of Magic of an analogous order is described. "It is the sacrifice of oneself spiritually. And the intelligence and innocence of that male child are the perfect understanding of the Magician, his one aim, without lust of result. And male he must be, because what he sacrifices is not the material blood, but his creative power." This initiated interpretation of the texts was sent spontaneously by Soror I.W.E., for the sake of the younger Brethren.

The following is a further explanation,...
WEH ADDENDA: When Crowley speaks of sacrificing a male child, his diaries and other writings indicate that he thereby obfuscates the actual practice. Crowley did this by diversion of the act of sexual intercourse and other sexual actions. He considered contraception as human sacrifice. There is no indication in any of his writings that he ever performed infanticide. In fact, Crowley was even against abortion.


cheers!!



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 07:09 AM
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He was a man who liked to act as if he knew more about something that he knew nothing about. Even worse, he tried to profit from his ignorance....

*snip*



posted on Jun, 2 2013 @ 12:51 AM
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Originally posted by SymbolicLogic
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He was a man who liked to act as if he knew more about something that he knew nothing about. Even worse, he tried to profit from his ignorance....

*snip*

What a crock. Crowley meticulously researched everything that he wrote. His contribution to Western understanding of spiritual matters is without paralell. He advocated a scientifically empirical approach to Magick that is still used by every occult society of any repute today, and Thelema is just about the most tolerant and user friendly system of spiritual development there is. There's no "secrets" denied to it's practitioners, and there's no priesthood of elitist arseholes running the show, and that's reason enough to merit a closer look at it's theory.



posted on Jun, 2 2013 @ 11:13 PM
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Ankh just explained that it was not actual human sacrifices and you ignored that to continue the belief that most are taught to have "he is the most evil man". Even if he did engage in human sacrifice why would that make him the most "evil" some religious ceremonies did (do!?) human sacrifice so are they any better? So why is he considered the MOST evil (assuming that this is true)?
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posted on Jun, 3 2013 @ 01:42 AM
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Originally posted by arpgme
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Ankh just explained that it was not actual human sacrifices and you ignored that to continue the belief that most are taught to have "he is the most evil man". Even if he did engage in human sacrifice why would that make him the most "evil" some religious ceremonies did (do!?) human sacrifice so are they any better? So why is he considered the MOST evil (assuming that this is true)?
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Because it's so obviously allegory for having a wank, that I thought it wasn't worth mentioning. And just why, exactly are you so convinced Crowley was evil? Or a black magician? He devoted his whole life to the great work, and the dissemiation of knowledge and enlightenment. The fact that much of what he alludes to in his work is couched in allegory is neccessary. And Magick without tears was his Magnus Opei He spent over 20 years writing it, so it's perfectly resonable that a student might spent anything up to ten years studying it, before he understands much of it.
Hence, he performed this "act"

about 150 times every year between 1912 e.v. and 1928 e.v.

Soounds resonable enough doesn't it?





"It is the sacrifice of oneself spiritually. And the intelligence and innocence of that male child are the perfect understanding of the Magician, his one aim, without lust of result. And male he must be, because what he sacrifices is not the material blood, but his creative power" .
Same "ritual, couched in different allegory. Or would you rather believe that Crowley sacrificed about 150 children a year during this period? If he had, he would have been caught. Or left some evidence that would have come out by now. Remember, he played the gutter press of his day with a calculated eye, and a manipulative artful fuelling of rumour. He needed notoriety for cover for his intelligence work in Ireland around WWI.

So he played the treasonous Englishman, and declared for Irish Nationalism, from Ireland, acting like a traitorous, English Osama bin Laden, issuing seditius and outrageous press statements against the Crown, for a "free Ireland".

Looking at his activities now, it's quite obvious that he hadn't suddenly been radicalised by Irish Nationalism to the extent of declaring War upon England. What ould he suddenly decide to get mixed up in that for? Because England was afraid of Ireland entering an alliance with Germany.

So Crowley's mission was to make sure that if this happened he'd be right there, and able to destabilise any negotiations. That was a covert operation. and without going into uneccesry detail, it succeeded. Ireland's play for independence in the Easter uprising was easily put down by the crown. Because an alliance had not been made.

He did the same thing with Italy in the years before WWII, at Cefalu in Sicily. His objective there was to keep an eye of Musollini and his Fascist Party, to see which way he might jump when (not if) War broke out.

And all the while that he was out there, the same notorious scandals about him leaked to the press back in England, his Black Magick, and sexually deviant rituals and blood and sacrifices, all to give him credible reason to be in Italy at all.

The British Public were whipped up into a frenzy every few weeks, and hated Crowley with a passion. Necessary cover again. It's not hard to see that there was more to the man than simply a libertarian sex cultist / anarchist /seditionist.

And later on, after he'd been given the outer head's position in the O.T.O by Reuss, he used his position and influence to watc the SS, and the top brass Nazis. When the War started to prove too much for Hitler's limited tactical ability, there was much worry that he'd take advivce from his Generals, and delegate logistics to someone more capable, yet totally loyal to Hitler.This would have been a disaster. The Allies needed Hitler there, at the top, making ridiculously flawed tactical decisions.

The only candidate in his immediate trusted circle, who was a capable tactician was Hesse. So Crowley enticed him right out from under The Wolf's very nose, telling him that he could minimise Germany's eventual losses, and shorten the War by up to 2 years.. . . . But it needed a man like Hesse, brave, loyal, practical, . . . .

this was the line Crowley took with Hesse to groom him. Flattery. Ego stroking. So when Hesse parachuted into Scotland that night, to sue for peace, he was expecting to be met the King, and taken to Balmoral for negotiations, and a spot of Grouse shooting with the Royal beaters perhaps. Instead, he was buundled straight off to the Tower of London. Where he stayed. But make no mistake, if Hesse had taken over from Hitler, Germany would in all probability have won the War. So that covers his Spying.
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posted on Jun, 3 2013 @ 09:28 AM
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I don't even believe in "evil" so I obviously didn't call him it.
Maybe you misunderstood what I was saying...

My point was this:

People are calling him the most evil man in the world because of human sacrifices. Even if it were true that he was doing human sacrifices why would that make him the "MOST" evil if many religious societies participated in this (and some still do)? He wouldn't be any "more" or "less" evil then the other religious people who participated.



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