Spain: riot cop experiences "blowback".

Originally posted by Panic2k11
reply to post by My.mind.is.mine

 

Just charge em! You don't even have to intend to hurt 'em, they'll run!

That is a great strategy to get shoot...

Non violent options are the best, civil disobedience, taking names and documenting things, bring the unions to your side, start strikes and if that fails then resort to sabotage (destruction of state property than can be used or aid in control, command and tax collection. this includes propaganda machines, tv, radio and journals). There is no need for direct confrontation.

If direct confrontation is then the only option, this will require that those in power recognize that they will be lynched if you succeed, just replicate what was working right in the UK flash mob the weak spots and keep the movement decentralized...
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I think charging them IS non-violent.. like I said, they'll run.. They can't shoot that crowd down.

I do agree with your second paragraph though.

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The Police didn't create that law regardless of how silly it may seem.

The people protesting should and can protest. However it doesn't mean they should be allowed to do what ever they want in the name of their protest.

Peaceful protesting can be achieved.

Spain does have a democracy.

Originally posted by Tykonos
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The Police didn't create that law regardless of how silly it may seem.

The people protesting should and can protest. However it doesn't mean they should be allowed to do what ever they want in the name of their protest.

Peaceful protesting can be achieved.

Spain does have a democracy.

Once again, they were peacefully protesting......

IT was peaceful all the way up UNTIL the riot police showed up! The reason they called them in was because they "surrounded parliament" which is illegal. They didn't hurt anyone, they hadn't (yet) destroyed any property.

The role of police is not to be an army against the civilians.. They're just drones, who don't realize that those measures are effecting them as well. Off duty officers were probably in the crowd!

Democracy, thus giving people the right to be pissed off..

So, what would come of it if the police came out in force to challenge the protesters, and the protesters rolled out a couple of monster trucks to break the police line? How fast would things deteriorate?

These riot police are usually the ones starting the violence, they are beating and dragging off anyone they can including women and the elderly,my gloves would come off too.Best is to set up a parimeter and let the people protest,the govt breaks laws at will..so should the people..

Originally posted by My.mind.is.mine

Originally posted by Tykonos
reply to post by My.mind.is.mine

 

The Police didn't create that law regardless of how silly it may seem.

The people protesting should and can protest. However it doesn't mean they should be allowed to do what ever they want in the name of their protest.

Peaceful protesting can be achieved.

Spain does have a democracy.

Once again, they were peacefully protesting......

IT was peaceful all the way up UNTIL the riot police showed up! The reason they called them in was because they "surrounded parliament" which is illegal. They didn't hurt anyone, they hadn't (yet) destroyed any property.

The role of police is not to be an army against the civilians.. They're just drones, who don't realize that those measures are effecting them as well. Off duty officers were probably in the crowd!

Democracy, thus giving people the right to be pissed off..

So the Police literally just turned up in a van and started hitting people at random who were acting peacefully?

Can you link me a video clip of that please?

There's enough of them so...

1. Walk as a large crowd.
2. Walk past or through the police.
3. Walk right into the buildings where the money people sit and THROW THEM OUT.
4. Continue steps 1 2 and 3 until the country is cleansed.

5 ignore the trolls.

Originally posted by VoidHawk
There's enough of them so...

1. Walk as a large crowd.
2. Walk past or through the police.
3. Walk right into the buildings where the money people sit and THROW THEM OUT.
4. Continue steps 1 2 and 3 until the country is cleansed.

5 ignore the trolls.

Leaving what in it's place?

Is democracy in Spain in terms of elections that rigged and corrupt?

Originally posted by Tykonos

Originally posted by VoidHawk
There's enough of them so...

1. Walk as a large crowd.
2. Walk past or through the police.
3. Walk right into the buildings where the money people sit and THROW THEM OUT.
4. Continue steps 1 2 and 3 until the country is cleansed.

5 ignore the trolls.

Leaving what in it's place?

Is democracy in Spain in terms of elections that rigged and corrupt?

The illusion that we NEED leaders is exactly that, an illusion.

Originally posted by Tykonos

Originally posted by My.mind.is.mine

Originally posted by Tykonos
reply to post by My.mind.is.mine

 

The Police didn't create that law regardless of how silly it may seem.

The people protesting should and can protest. However it doesn't mean they should be allowed to do what ever they want in the name of their protest.

Peaceful protesting can be achieved.

Spain does have a democracy.

Once again, they were peacefully protesting......

IT was peaceful all the way up UNTIL the riot police showed up! The reason they called them in was because they "surrounded parliament" which is illegal. They didn't hurt anyone, they hadn't (yet) destroyed any property.

The role of police is not to be an army against the civilians.. They're just drones, who don't realize that those measures are effecting them as well. Off duty officers were probably in the crowd!

Democracy, thus giving people the right to be pissed off..

So the Police literally just turned up in a van and started hitting people at random who were acting peacefully?

Can you link me a video clip of that please?

Once again, have you actually READ any of these news stories????

This protest crossed "the line" when they surrounded parliament - at which point, riot police were dispatched to disperse the crowd.. You think they showed up and said "hey.... please leave!" ???

Originally posted by VoidHawk

Originally posted by Tykonos

Originally posted by VoidHawk
There's enough of them so...

1. Walk as a large crowd.
2. Walk past or through the police.
3. Walk right into the buildings where the money people sit and THROW THEM OUT.
4. Continue steps 1 2 and 3 until the country is cleansed.

5 ignore the trolls.

Leaving what in it's place?

Is democracy in Spain in terms of elections that rigged and corrupt?

The illusion that we NEED leaders is exactly that, an illusion.

Exactly.. Humans have been conditioned to feel like they need a governing force in all parts of their lives..... Realistically, a society of wholesome, honest people works better than what we have now....

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Stop with the once again thing and show me actual footage of the peaceful protesters, acting peacefully and being attacked by the Police.

So there was a line that they crossed and the Police were there to prevent people crossing it. It sounds like common sense to me.

there have been 27 major confirmed police injuries...with many more having minor injuries.

Originally posted by My.mind.is.mine

Originally posted by VoidHawk

Originally posted by Tykonos

Originally posted by VoidHawk
There's enough of them so...

1. Walk as a large crowd.
2. Walk past or through the police.
3. Walk right into the buildings where the money people sit and THROW THEM OUT.
4. Continue steps 1 2 and 3 until the country is cleansed.

5 ignore the trolls.

Leaving what in it's place?

Is democracy in Spain in terms of elections that rigged and corrupt?

The illusion that we NEED leaders is exactly that, an illusion.

Exactly.. Humans have been conditioned to feel like they need a governing force in all parts of their lives..... Realistically, a society of wholesome, honest people works better than what we have now....

That's the problem we don't live in a society where everyone is wholesome and honest. Ideal worlds are great to fantasise over but reality tends to bite the former.

Originally posted by Tykonos
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Stop with the once again thing and show me actual footage of the peaceful protesters, acting peacefully and being attacked by the Police.

While I grab you a video, let the news story marinate, and take in some of the photos.

Anti-government protests in Madrid Tuesday devolved into riots, after groups of tactical police charged and beat an agitated crowd.

Spanish media reported dozens of arrests and scores of serious injuries, not a surprising result given the images of bloody confrontation being broadcast out of Madrid.

At around 9 p.m. local time, some 30 minutes before the protest permit demonstrators had been granted to rally in the vicinity of the national Congress was set to expire, violent skirmishes broke out between police and protesters. Firing rubber bullets into the crowd and charging with tactical batons, the large contingent of 1,300 riot, or antidisturbios officers seemed at times to be as much attempting to push back the rally as to trying to avoid being overwhelmed by the protesters, who numbered in the thousands. It was a bloody exclamation point on a tense, all-day rally -- denominated as the #25S demonstrations to "surround the Congress and rescue democracy" -- that saw plenty of arrests earlier in the day.

link

Originally posted by Tykonos
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Stop with the once again thing and show me actual footage of the peaceful protesters, acting peacefully and being attacked by the Police.

Here ya go.

www.youtube.com...

www.youtube.com...

Originally posted by Tykonos
reply to post by My.mind.is.mine

 

Stop with the once again thing and show me actual footage of the peaceful protesters, acting peacefully and being attacked by the Police.

So there was a line that they crossed and the Police were there to prevent people crossing it. It sounds like common sense to me.

edit on 26-9-2012 by Tykonos because: (no reason given)

riight.... keep the sheeple in line...

Originally posted by mr-lizard

Originally posted by Tykonos
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Stop with the once again thing and show me actual footage of the peaceful protesters, acting peacefully and being attacked by the Police.

Here ya go.

www.youtube.com...



www.youtube.com...

that works too

Originally posted by My.mind.is.mine

Originally posted by NavyDoc

Originally posted by My.mind.is.mine

Originally posted by NavyDoc

Originally posted by My.mind.is.mine

Originally posted by NavyDoc

Originally posted by mikellmikell
Kinda cute they wait till all the camera people are ready then pick the person who is least likely to fight back.

Meh, another group of people mad they don't get free #.

Ummm, do you have any idea what is actually in there austerity bill? Did you just wanna talk that bad????

These people are expected to work, more hours, for less pay, and pay more taxes, while government spending is cut, thus potentially increasing their expenses...............

Right. They don't want to have to work harder for entitlements in a failing economy. The coffers are empty because the government benefits and light workload that went with those benefits. It was unsustainable programs that they demanded that caused the financial mess. There is no free lunch but they have not learned that yet.

Entitlements, like affordable food and shelter? HOW DARE THEY!!!

You must be one of those "money makes the world go 'round, deal with it" type people..

No, I'm one of those "socialism does not work" and "the best person to help you is yourself" type people. The reason why Spain is in such distress is that people voted themself entitlements but didn't want to work for them. WHen the money runs out, so do the entitlements. If they put all of that energy from the protest, into making themselves better, they could. BUt hard work is for suckers. THe biggest problem of socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

Whatever you like. But from my eye on society, individualism paves the way for the "NEED MORE MONEYYYYY" mentality. I believe in community. If the case was simply, no more money, then that would be easy to fix. However, they want to PAY LESS, raise taxes, cut subsidies, and it would take all of 30 seconds for the price of commodities to go up... How is this a solution? The people have to be punished now? Is that the role of government?

If people and communities did not insist on dependency of the government, then they would not be vulnerable to the whims of the government. The people are not being punished, the government is simply running out of stuff to give them. Had the people been more independently minded and looked to themselves and their friends for stuff rather than the government, they would not be stuck now.

"No more money" being easy to fix? Are you serious? Where does the money come from? More debt makes the problem greater. Printing more money causes inflation that harms the people even more. Reducing outflow by paying less and reducing entitlements, reducing expenditures, keeps the coffers from bleeding completely out. The problem is, when you have more people taking taxpayer money out of the system than you have taxpayers putting money into the system, the system fails.

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Yeah, okay, that's pretty bad.

It seems they need some re-training on crowd control.