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reply posted on 7-10-2004 @ 10:50 AM by soothsayer
Shutter speed can have an affect on what's being photographed; any movement could produce a blurred motion. But that's the thing... anything moving in that shutter speed would be blurred.

In the videos used for Sci-Fi's show, there were parachuters and birds which were not blurred even though they also contained rods. Same thing with the stunt flying ariplane, a family gathering, and one other (can't remember what this one was, though). The only thing in these videos that were "blurred" were the rods. One of these videos was produced by a professional video editor... surely he would have known he had a wrong set-up. And like the guy who first discovered the rods said "You can get blurred motion moving left to right, but not front to back", in reference to the rods turning and looping away from the camera while still retaining their shape and measurements.

For a normal shutter speed, or whatever is used for video cameras, just how fast would something have to be going in order to produce a blurred effect? In regards with Nascar, you'd have to be moving at 200+ MPH, correct? Any animal that we know of that can do that?

Surely with the video of the man parachuting into the cave and all the birds moving about, there could be no way to alter the speed of one object in relation to the others. The birds flew about normally, the man fell normally, the rods, well... moved like rods.

Oh, another thing about their speed; the best way to view them is by using the slowest setting on your camera/camcorder, going by frame by frame... so how fast would they be then?

At first, I too thought that it could be the "hairs" of lines associated with older film, but then I thought about it some more. Those hairs don't move.

But, I'm going to check out some more sites, go over Byrd's rebutle site, and see what else I can see...


reply posted on 7-10-2004 @ 05:57 PM by cimmerius

All of the footage showing rods are nothing more than motion blur created by the use of video cameras or film cameras with long exposures.


I really think this is the case. The clincher for me was a picture taken of a streetlight at night surrounded by insects. It showed dozens of very convincing rods.

What interests me about the whole "rods" subject is that IMO it is one example of a larger phenomena.

As technology becomes cheaper, more and more people get their hands on it. That doesn't mean they really now how it works or what its limitations are.

Some examples of this in my opinion:

Using cam-corders to shoot things far away in the sky. Video recorders designed for shooting the kid's birthday party don't do well with tiny things far away in the sky. The result was a rash of diamond-shaped "UFOs" that were caused by aperature artifacts, focusing problems, and light sensors being overwhelmed.

Pictures of space objects (especially Mars) that seem to show anomolies.
People don't understand the limitation of the resolutions used. People don't understand that photo editing "enhancement" can help in certain situations, but it can't bring out data that isn't there. Editing filters CHANGE the data. I think people also forget the degree to which the human brain is hard-wired for pattern recognition. See. A couple of marks in a circle is perceived as a human face.

There was also another controversy much like the rods: the "orbs." Most of these pictures were taken with digital cameras and didn't take into consideration that digital sensors don't work the same way as a film camera.

And I think "rods" are just the same kind of thing. The interation of shutter spead (or frame rate), motion blur, and the frequency of the insects wings beating.

Please note that I am not trying to come off as an expert in any of these things. I am just repeating plausible explanations I have seen for each one. I am just noting that there seems to be a trend of average people using relatively new technology (cam-corders, digital cameras, image-editors, space photography) and misinterpreting the results they see.
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reply posted on 7-10-2004 @ 06:45 PM by mindbeyondreality
theres something about those rods in this short clip.

www.jkcinema.com...:%20Fact%20or%20Fiction?&width=400&height=300&quality=best" target="_blank" class="postlink">Watch for a little bit and youll see the rods.
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