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Originally posted by Grimpachi
Two founders left from different political parties that have founded a nonpartisan organization that did the study.
It sounds pretty solid.
Originally posted by pajoly
With all due respect, SS is not an investment and never has been. Were it so, we'd get back what we put in, plus earned interest less costs for administering the program -- no more, no less. Were it so, the money put in would actually be invested in something. It is not. In fact, it is not even put into escrow but rather is treated as part of the general federal funds. The government issues IOUs to the "fund," meaning it has to invent money to pay back the SS deductions government steals and uses for general funds. This attack on what was the fund began decades ago and cannot be put at the feet of Obama or Bush or any of their immediate predecessors.
What it IS is part of the social contract whereby we collectively made a moral decision that people who have worked there whole lives should not be left to rot once their income earning years are over. It was meant to supplement pensions and only provide a base level of support to keep people from eating dog food and living in the streets when they get old. Unfortunately, businesses decided that since SS was put in place, they no longer need to offer pensions and now unless one is a public sector worker, there are virtually no more pensions. This means SS has morphed into the sole method of financial life support for the vast majority of retirees.
Historically, people received many times more than they put in. This year, in fact though, is the FIRST year that people are expected get back LESS than the total they put in to the system.
The electorate needs to demand -- as Al Gore unsuccessfully pushed -- that SS receipts go into a "lock box" that CANNOT be used by government except to pay out to beneficiaries, thus removing the accounting gimick that has been used for decades.edit on 24-9-2012 by pajoly because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Grimpachi
reply to post by OccamsRazor04
The group that is solid is the non partial group not the republicans.
Means testing for the elderly does not sound like a win.
Does paying into a program all your life so someone can tell you sorry you make to much you can’t be paid back sound good to you.
It is class warfare. Anyway good morning occamedit on 25-9-2012 by Grimpachi because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Grimpachi
reply to post by OccamsRazor04
0 yield lol I don’t know if I would go that far. You see I am not completely against means testing nor am I sold on it either. I do believe it is class warfare I also know something needs to be done about the system but keep in mind they have been saying that for about two decades that I can remember.
If SS hadn’t of been raided for pork barrel projects by both sides for so long who knows what it would look like those figures haven’t been released. Probably for good reason the country hang them.
We need to look at history and what is going on in other parts of the world and take lessons from what has worked and is working we also need to look at what has failed.
In the past 30 years the gap between the middle class and the rich has widened in this country more than any other country in the free world. It used to be a CEO made 20 even 50 times more than the median worker and as a whole the entire country thrived now that gap has widened to 100or more. Something has gone horribly wrong.
In a report issued, Lawrence Mishel, president of the Economic Policy Institute, estimated that CEOs at 350 large companies made 231 times more than average workers in their industries in 2011. The AFL-CIO - using different methodology that compared CEO pay at S&P 500 companies with the average pay of all workers in the country - set the gap at 380 times.
In the 1980s, CEOs were, on average, making only 50 times more than workers. While CEOs' pay soared since then, the return to shareholders has plummeted since the '80s, noting that from 1980 to 1985, the average annual return to shareholders posted by Standard & Poor's 500 companies was 9%, a figure that dropped to negative 0.4% in the past five years.