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A sexual assault victim who was groped by an off-duty police officer is demanding an apology from an Arizona judge who during a sentencing hearing for the defendant told her: "If you wouldn’t have been there that night, none of this would have happened to you.”
Hatch, a Republican appointed by Gov. Jan Brewer in June 2010, did not return a telephone call from NBC News seeking comment. The woman's name was withheld because she is a victim of a sexual crime.
According to the Arizona Daily Sun, a jury convicted 43-year-old Robb Gary Evans of a felony charge of sexual abuse on July 2. Prosecutors said Evans walked up behind the victim in a Flagstaff bar, put his hand up her skirt and groped her last summer.
"If you wouldn't have been there that night, none of this would have happened to you," Hatch said.
Prosecutors contended that he drank eight beers and then drove himself to the Green Room, where he flashed his badge in an attempt to get into a concert for free. While inside, he walked up behind the victim, who was a friend of a friend, put his hand up her skirt and then ran his fingers across her genitals.
When bouncers threw him out, Evans told them he was a cop and they would be arrested.
You are letting your emotional responses cloud your rational judgement, and your partisanship is showing as a result. Come on, now.
There are drunk people at bars, and drunk people do stupid things - including women since I apparently have to drive that point home
At a certain point, it becomes true. Republicans regularly say things like "honest rape", "legitimate rape", and "forceful rape".
There are rapists/molesters every where you go. She could have just as easily gotten molested anywhere.
Or should women just learn to stay in the kitchen and never leave the house?
What the judge said was just straight up stupid. It's like blaming a girl for being date raped because "she shouldn't have been at a party". It's a regressive mindset.
Originally posted by KeliOnyx
She was blaming the victim you tool. What exactly do you think it means when someone tells you "well if you didn't go there it wouldn't have happened" means? We are not talking about things you should expect when you are in a bar like:
Drinks spilled on you.
Someone bumping into you.
Someone accidentally burning you with a cigarette.
Someone "accidentally" brushing their hand across your backside, frontside or topside.
All of these things are to be expected when you get a bunch of drunk people together in the same room.
A woman should not be expecting to get violated because she chose to go out to hear some music and have a few drinks. What do you think you are? a Bonobo Chimp and its okay to just randomly walk up to people and grope their genitals? This Judge said the equivalent of telling a rape victim "Well if you weren't dressed like that it wouldn't have happened". Which she probably believes to be true as well. With an attitude like yours you better invest in some burkas for your daughters.
"If you wouldn't have been there that night, none of this would have happened to you,"
Hatch said that the victim was not to blame in the case, but that all women must be vigilant against becoming victims.
"When you blame others, you give up your power to change,"
Originally posted by Praetorius
reply to post by RealSpoke
RealSpoke, I generally like your posts, but other than in your mind and the realm of possibility, there is no solid indication of what you refer to. The grabbing of buttocks is just as likely, and women have done as bad or worse on a fairly regular basis. And, just to make sure you're aware - HE WAS FIRED.
Also, since when is it a firing offense for a judge to make a truthful statement? How is she not intelligent, or a misogynist, exactly? There are drunk people at bars, and drunk people do stupid things - including women since I apparently have to drive that point home. The judge didn't let this guy off the hook, and she clarified her decision.
You are letting your emotional responses cloud your rational judgement, and your partisanship is showing as a result. Come on, now.edit on 9/7/2012 by Praetorius because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by KeliOnyx
reply to post by Praetorius
Personal commentary from an extreme right Judge that has no credibility. Your entire defense of what she said is based entirely on the premise that it is true. Yeah it is true in the same sense that if you don't want to be burglarized you shouldn't own a house or buy nice stuff. Or how about if you don't want to have your car stolen don't buy a car. This is a person that is sitting in judgement of other people, the job requires more reasoning than if you don't want to be victimized find yourself a cardboard box and stay away from society altogether. This woman is not fit to be a Judge.
I really haven't said much about the sentence because she is right in the regard no one would be happy with it. The cop thinks it's ok to just walk behind women and stick his hands up their skirt. And nothing short of cutting his hand off would probably have satisfied the victim and neither of those solutions would be acceptable. Personally if he were just some ordinary citizen the punishment that was given would be appropriate. But with him being a cop I personally feel he should have gotten the max. Because it was his duty to protect citizens from creepy perverts not become one. The level of responsibility of his chosen vocation demands a higher level of consequence.
Does the man you love assume the right to control how you live and behave?
Have you given up important activities or people to keep him happy?
• Is he extremely jealous and possessive?
• Does he switch from charm to anger without warning?
• Does he belittle your opinions, your feelings, or your accomplishments?
• Does he withdraw love, money, approval, or sex to punish you?
• Does he blame you for everything that goes wrong in the relationship?
• Do you find yourself “walking on eggs” and apologizing all the time?
She's a misogynist. It doesn't surprise me one bit that she is a republican.
Personal commentary from an extreme right Judge that has no credibility
Among the speakers are Wisconsin Rep. Tammy Baldwin, the openly gay Democratic Senate candidate, Illinois congressional candidate and Iraq war veteran Tammy Duckworth, Maryland Sen. Barbara Mikulski, Eva Longoria, national co-chair of Obama's campaign, Montana Superintendent of Public Instruction Denise Juneau, Lilly Ledbetter a women’s equality activist and Caroline Kennedy, the daughter of the late president. But also speaking are Planned Parenthood president Cecile Richards, Nancy Keenan president of NARAL (National Abortion Rights Action League) Pro-Choice America and Sandra Fluke who gained notoriety when Rush Limbaugh lampooned her wanted to have others pay for her birth control. Is there any doubt that these women will try to tie Romney and Ryan to Akin? Well there shouldn’t since Fluke previewed of her speech in an email released by the president's re-election campaign. Romney and Ryan, Fluke wrote "they're in lockstep with Akin on the major women's health issues of our time. There is a clear choice for women in this election." Really? Has the irony of also having Bill Clinton – an accused rapist and a widely recognized sexual predator – keynoting the same democratic convention been lost on the media, on the democrats or more importantly, on women? Maybe