New Oil and Tar Balls Litter the Gulf Coast After Hurricane Isaac, page 2

reply to post by VitriolAndAngst

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The oil experts won't be able to prove they are BP's oil balls is what you mean. Under the legal system undeniable proof is needed before someone is liable. In this case I do not think they can blame it on BP alone. I think the problem is way bigger than most expect. This kind of stuff has been going on for a while, many small leaks add up to a lot also. Accidents happen when acquiring oil. That is normal. If this spill would have been a hundred barrels noone would have known. Corexit is a newer chemical but similar chemicals have been used for quite a while to cover these things up. Don't worry, you can still eat shrimp once in a while and the seafood is safe if you eat it occasionally. We need to reduce world population anyway The earth will heal from this spill, it will just take time.

And the Republicans want more and more drilling all over America, but when the crap hits the fan like this spill, not a peep from the cons. What a freaking disaster! Where are all the cons volunteering to clean up the mess?


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reply to post by rickymouse

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They can test the oil samples to see whats it's composition is to determine where it originated from. Similar to how they can test stuff like diamonds to see whether they came from restricted regions (blood diamonds).

There are ways to testing the oil and supposedly they already have and have found many locations to be covered with BP oil.

Originally posted by rickymouse
reply to post by VitriolAndAngst

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The oil experts won't be able to prove they are BP's oil balls is what you mean. Under the legal system undeniable proof is needed before someone is liable. In this case I do not think they can blame it on BP alone. I think the problem is way bigger than most expect. This kind of stuff has been going on for a while, many small leaks add up to a lot also. Accidents happen when acquiring oil. That is normal. If this spill would have been a hundred barrels noone would have known. Corexit is a newer chemical but similar chemicals have been used for quite a while to cover these things up. Don't worry, you can still eat shrimp once in a while and the seafood is safe if you eat it occasionally. We need to reduce world population anyway The earth will heal from this spill, it will just take time.

You get no argument from me on your post.

What I cannot stand is that we have to PROVE BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT some corporation guilty of killing humans. THEY do not have to prove their products are safe. So Pink Slime is used as food in schools and fast food restaurants, weird plastics can be used to contain our food because rats tested don't die -- but no mention is made of the cancers, infertility and genetic damage.

And don't get me started about GM food. A quick bit of research on the matter is that it's not all the same, but some of it is downright scary. Especially Corn, Soy and Wheat. The standards shouldn't be; "PROVE that deep sea drilling caused THIS PARTICULAR tar ball we found or this PARTICULAR hormone producing mutant gene in soy caused breast cancer." The bar needs to be set that PROVE bio-engineering pesticides into food is safe -- not only for the current rat, but the rats three generations from now.

>> We've got cloned BEEF now -- and a lot of people who think they understand and love science think it's the same thing as a regular cow. It's amazing that all the people who religiously appose "Global Warming" and strangely seem to have religious arguments against alternative energy, aren't also prompted by scripture to worry about abominations in human genes finding their way into our food animals and even spinach. A cynical person might suggest that church pulpits have people offended only at things that corporate shills want them to be upset about.

However, current METHODS of cloning are not perfect. And a cloned animal won't live as long as traditionally born creature because #1 they took the gene from an adult animal (and genes are modified after we are born, and express different aspects of the DNA) and #2, the process is not perfect and there are transcoding errors. Since the cows aren't going to be around long before slaughter, Mad Cow and bad genetic drift don't show up (yes, nobody actually CURED Mad Cow, they just slaughter cows before the Prion expresses itself -- problem solved, right?).

I don't know this for a fact, but I wonder if we clone cows now not for the readability of the fast growing steer, but perhaps the rumors that the 3rd and 4th generation of animals RAISED on GM corn becoming sterile could be influencing the traditional methods of breeding fast growing animals with each other.

However, we are assured by people who make lots of money, that there is nothing wrong with GM food, and so we aren't allowed to know what has been modified and what hasn't, and we have to spend our own money to run studies and prove beyond a reasonable doubt that whatever particular allergy, brain damage, chromosome damage or cancer was ONLY CAUSED BY THIS ONE SOURCE.

It's really impossible. The "secret ingredients of Core Exit" in the Oil mutating Gulf Shrimp, the estrogen-like plastics in the BPA free containers, and the hormone-like structures in Corn and Soy are all having an impact so there isn't ONE BULLET and there isn't ONE GUN and so nobody is guilty.

Everyone just look surprised when diabetes, obesity, mental problems, ADHD, sterility, cancer, and genetic mutations become more and more common.

WE can all live in fear, and be TOLD to worry about Terrorist X, Drug Dealer Y, and Enemy Z -- and they don't need any proof about the unexamined threats we spend Billions on. Pay not attention to the untested food and drugs we consume on a regular basis -- it's not been proven to KILL YOU immediately, so feed it to your kids.

reply to post by VitriolAndAngst

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It's not even the fact that the GM soy is being utilized instead of regular soy products. It is the fact that we started consuming more soy that is the problem. We didn't eat much soy at all before, just in Soy sauce where the fermenting broke down the estrogen. Now it's in just about everything. Evolution of the diet over many generations is necessary to properly be able to process these things. Whoever started pushing soy into all our foods should be hung. The Chinese and Asians may have a better tolerance for soy but not the Europeans that live in this country. The Chinese know well about the health effects of too much soy in the diet, genetically engineering the plant could help a little but then it may not be recognized by the body right and body chemistry will go astray. We are not gods, we can't eat everything. What fools we are to let these people seeking profit ruin our health and thinking. We must put an end to their reign in this country.

reply to post by Lostmymarbles

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That's interesting, will it stand up in court? Funny that anyone will say definitely BP when BP has funded so many environmental labs and organizations after the spill. Hmmm..... those labs won't be getting future jobs from the oil industry or their subsidies, I hope they understand that. I hate to see good businesses crumble by getting involved in things like this, personally I would have said I was too busy at the time.

reply to post by rickymouse

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Thankfully that's why we have Universities with their own labs and private donors such as their alumni. Otherwise then yeah, those other research labs would be bought up.

As for it being able to hold up in court, I'm sure it can. The area's where BP drills for oil will probably have a certain type a composition that would be unlike other areas. It'd be a slight difference but enough of one to know the general area of where it is from and then with that knowledge they can look to see which oil drills are in the area and who owns those drills.

Originally posted by rickymouse
reply to post by VitriolAndAngst

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It's not even the fact that the GM soy is being utilized instead of regular soy products. It is the fact that we started consuming more soy that is the problem. We didn't eat much soy at all before, just in Soy sauce where the fermenting broke down the estrogen. Now it's in just about everything. Evolution of the diet over many generations is necessary to properly be able to process these things. Whoever started pushing soy into all our foods should be hung. The Chinese and Asians may have a better tolerance for soy but not the Europeans that live in this country. The Chinese know well about the health effects of too much soy in the diet, genetically engineering the plant could help a little but then it may not be recognized by the body right and body chemistry will go astray. We are not gods, we can't eat everything. What fools we are to let these people seeking profit ruin our health and thinking. We must put an end to their reign in this country.

I agree with you that there is a HUGE issue with genetic background. Having Irish blood in me, I'm immune from being incapacitated from alcohol until I'm actually unable to stand, and as a european blood line, certain lung and poisoned food ailments make me merely sick, but they will kill a Latin American or Indian. We know however, that Malaria will destroy a european, while someone with the "sickle cell gene" from Africa, will be better able to deal with it.

Along with too much soy (because it's a cheap replacement for good protein), and the "urban legend" that it's better quality protein (no, there's stuff in their you won't even digest), the GM soy really, really is different.

The process of genetic modification is changing a lot more in the DNA of food than can be predicted. If you follow the principle of "first do no harm" -- we've broken the rule to begin with.

Depression and a whole host of ailments start in the stomach. We are inundated with "estrogen like" chemicals in Corn, Soy, and plastics. The other anomaly from GM foods and all the sugar substitutes but Stevia, is that it thickens the stomach wall. This reduces what we absorb and causes a host of other problems, including food cravings.

I'm pretty sure that following the diet of what industrial farmers use to fatten cattle is not the best way to go.

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