What is happening to American Politics is breaking my heart

reply to post by OutKast Searcher

Ummm...Ron Paul was running for the Republican nomination.

Did you not know that was his planned strategy??? To attempt to infiltrate the GOP to get some of his ideas in the platform???

You may not believe in the two party system...but Ron Paul apparently does.

You apparently forget how as an independent he was ignored by the MSM? Did he tow the party line with the rest of the Republicans???? NOPE!

And to further add to your book club analogy, Why do you assume that people need to belong to a book club to read a book?

It just goes to show how ridiculous our political system has become in this country! Your analogy using the words club and implying that a person needs to belong to a team tells me how pathetic our beliefs and convictions have become. To hell with a person applying critical thinking skills on their own huh? Join a team or club and let the mob mentality rule!

reply to post by TheLieWeLive


like a junkie,perhaps the people need to hit rock bottom to realize or to actually take interest in it cause i think most realize but are indiferent to it,when it hits home then a maybe and perhaps to late. communications is the answer or light in the fog that must be taken back first.thats my opinion of course.

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by seeker1963

 

Why do you assume that Ron Paul supporters are part of the "Republican" club? I support Ron Paul, but I sure as hell do not agree with the right half OR left half of our faux two party system!

If you believe that Ron Paul supporters are believers in the two party system, you are delusional....

Ummm...Ron Paul was running for the Republican nomination.

Did you not know that was his planned strategy??? To attempt to infiltrate the GOP to get some of his ideas in the platform???

You may not believe in the two party system...but Ron Paul apparently does.

Yea right! Ron Paul "infultrates the GOP" to inject REAL issues, and you see that as supporting the system. He's using the two party system for the exposure. Infultratetors only act to take over or destroy. He planned to take over the Gay Old Party.

Now, that's only after he was cheated, ignored, marginalized, lied about, blah blah blah. He could easily win and that's the problem for the system. He appeals to the right, left, and especialy those of us awake to the bigger picture.

Speaking of the bigger picture and the OP....Canadians and the rest of the world are really gonna freak if they ever realize the fact that their goverments, and America's two party system, is controlled by the same global puppet masters.

reply to post by seeker1963

You apparently forget how as an independent he was ignored by the MSM? Did he tow the party line with the rest of the Republicans???? NOPE!

I haven't ignored any of that...if you re-read the book club analogy...it is all there.

And to further add to your book club analogy, Why do you assume that people need to belong to a book club to read a book?

They don't, they can leave the club...they can join another club...or they can just read independently. But if you have a certain book that you want a lot of people to read...and trying to do that alone hasn't been working...well then you might just try to join one of the two largest book clubs to get your book more exposure. You can say all you want that you don't believe in these two large book clubs, or the fact that most people think they have to belong to one of these two book clubs...but by joining it and trying to change it...you are buying into the concept that the only way to be heard is to be part of one of these book clubs.

It just goes to show how ridiculous our political system has become in this country! Your analogy using the words club and implying that a person needs to belong to a team tells me how pathetic our beliefs and convictions have become. To hell with a person applying critical thinking skills on their own huh? Join a team or club and let the mob mentality rule!

I never implied that you must be part of a one of the clubs.

But if you want to reach a large audience with your ideas...you may just join one of those clubs...even if you say you don't believe in them...and that is exactly what Ron Paul did.

Are you denying that Ron Paul ran as a Republican and has been a Republican for a very very long time???

reply to post by bumpufirst


I disagree to this extent... I don't see, within history, any proof that there were any real "good old days" in American politics. Even the penultimate period of American prosperity, the 1950's, were haunted by McCarthyism..

I cannot find a single decade where there was not a major political fight and massive disenfranchisement of one group or another. All the way from The Patriot Act back to Hamilton and Madison and their disasgreements US history is consistent in this regard. Even George Washington said the following...

"The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge natural to party dissention, which in different ages & countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism. The disorders & miseries, which result, gradually incline the minds of men to seek security & repose in the absolute power of an Individual: and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of Public Liberty."

— George Washington, September 19, 1796

The divisions, and the frustration about them, have been a constant part of American politics since day one.

~Heff

reply to post by DrumsRfun

I know it's a small thing, but the Obama-McCain contest ended up 52.9% to 45.7%, if you're referring to the popular vote. That's a little different from your prediction of 51-49.

Originally posted by CanadianBlueTrue

...it does not matter who wins or loses you see if they did not break or change the rules, nominated both Romney and Paul and Romney won fair then all good. Just the fact that they are trying to control, manipulate, and gag potential competition and who Americans choose or would like to hear speak is beyond me and very dishonest.

You do not see that?

Let's pretend that the U.S has a majority of Democrats, say 80%. A Democrat could join the Republicans, ruin their politics completely because the majority of the people (democrats) decide to vote for him, even though it's a republican party? You do not see that?
I say it again, every party can have their own beliefs and their own politics. No single individual is supposed to ruin that.

How is that a choice? How is that a democracy? The parties is not a club, it’s not intended to be a club

Yes it is.

read the constitution, dam I am Canadian and I read it.

I'm not an American nor do I live on the american continents. So, no thanks, not right now.

Its intended to provide Americans with a choice and what you are explaining is a private 2 party dictatorship. And when the choice is chosen for you then it’s all over.

I don't think you understood what I said.
It is the fault of the population that there are only two parties to really choose from.
Stop trying to change the politics of a party that apparently is no good, and create your own politics like in a proper democracy.

Seriously think about it. I am not saying Romney will end up a bad president if he wins I am just saying why be afraid of competition? Why not just choose who wins the competition? When there is a fair competition then the winner is honored and supported by the party.

I'm not defending that party one bit, but they have the right to remove candidates that don't follow the party's line. That's how it is supposed to work. Again, choose or create a party that suits you. Everyone's allowed to have their own opinions & parties. You can't demand them to change (but you can suggest).

Pretty simple to me. As soon as you are afraid of competition you are on the downfall because competition is the only way to chose a leader to a free country period.

Yes, but not within the same party. The country needs more parties, and that's up to the people, not the republicans to have several different republicanish politics to choose from. That's just ridiculous.

So what you are saying is that America now is a private club and not a free country?

No, it's not. People are free to vote on which party they like. Apparently there seems to be two parties that they don't really like, yet they vote for them. Their problem, not mine.

Yep people like you are the problem and again just my opinion and you are entitled to your own choices just pretty sure you would react different if this happened in any other setting!!!! That’s all!

No, people like me point out the problem. My suggestion is that the people of the U.S vote for a party that they like. They can't change an existing one to a bigger degree. And they shouldn't.

reply to post by charles1952


People are too diverse in their opinions to make it that close....s up.
Watch this election years results....I might be the first ats prediction that comes true.


It happens when things are important.
I started noticing it when we had the Quebec referendum years ago.

51 to 49.

What was Gore/Bush??
Thanks for clarifying the actual results though....I was going off memory and was laughing at the false finish coming when I watched it but appreciate the correction.
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Build the excitement.
Check.

Get them on the edge of their seats.
Check.

Make them think one is going to win but than all of a sudden the other guy makes a comeback.
Check.

Cue the music for the winner.
Check

It came right down to the wire.


Its like watching pro wrestling.....slogans are also a big wrestling thing.(yes we can)
Thats called a false finish in wrestling terms....because its scripted.
Does this not look scripted?
The music when BO won was like watching a Spielberg movie.
Watch when he is announced the winner and does the acceptance speech.


Pay attention to 4 seconds in.

I have defended our political system to so many people over the years at home and abroad. I have defended the Republican Party for all it is worth but I cannot rationalize this. I remember hearing a politician say in the past “I did not leave the republican party the Republican Party left me.” I have always told people your vote counts but these primaries have proven me wrong. I am done with this party.

I do not know who I am voting for but it will not be Romney I cannot support this party in any way. I have always voted for who I thought was best for this country which means I have not been on any particular side but have always leaned right. This travesty of our system has given me reason to lean another way.

I will always vote there is nothing that can dissuade me from that fact. There is nothing to gain from not participating but as long as rules in the Republican Party exist that keep the people from being heard I will do what I can to keep them out of power. If they will do this to their own party what would they do to the country? I am not willing to find out.

Originally posted by Grimpachi
I have defended our political system to so many people over the years at home and abroad. I have defended the Republican Party for all it is worth but I cannot rationalize this. I remember hearing a politician say in the past “I did not leave the republican party the Republican Party left me.” I have always told people your vote counts but these primaries have proven me wrong. I am done with this party.

Even though it's strange that in the American political system, so much focus is put on individuals, and it seems so important which individual from the same party that gets voted. It does not make much sense.
Anyhow, as I said in the previous post too, of course a party should be able to exclude candidates. A party is there because they have a certain political line. If a person does not fit into it, he/she does not belong there.
Why? Otherwise it is possible for big parties to completely wreck political opposition by joining the "competing" party and the people can overthrow the party by voting for this fraud.

If the party doesn't suit you, don't vote for it.

I do not know who I am voting for but it will not be Romney I cannot support this party in any way.

In that case, there is no problem, is there?

I have always voted for who I thought was best for this country which means I have not been on any particular side but have always leaned right. This travesty of our system has given me reason to lean another way.

Hmm, isn't the difference between the main Democratic and Republican party lines so big that you in that case have went for personalities? If you don't know which of these two parties are for you, maybe you should consider another option?

I will always vote there is nothing that can dissuade me from that fact. There is nothing to gain from not participating but as long as rules in the Republican Party exist that keep the people from being heard I will do what I can to keep them out of power. If they will do this to their own party what would they do to the country? I am not willing to find out.

Now, those are the words of a person who uses his democratic rights as they are supposed to be used.
However, consider not to go with "the lesser evil", if there is a tiny party somewhere that matches your beliefs even better.

It may not look like it, but its a good sign.

The more obvious it is that the system is a scam, the more people will see it and start to become a force for real change. Current system cant work.

You can put Ron Paul in there if you like, and he will be unable to change anything. Its not hard for elements in the rogue government to create false flag attacks, forcing even Ron Paul to send troops somewhere or put in oppressive laws.

A lot of the principles that America was founded upon, have been reduced, over the generations to naked "social Darwinism". Survival of the fittest.

Left to itself, social Darwinism, like Darwinism in nature, is ultimately self destructive. Species go extinct and if you believe the Darwinists, those species have nobody to blame for it but themselves.

America is entering the endgame of a social Darwinist society.

In humane societies, by contrast, often societies influenced by socialism, there is effort made to ensure the survival of the "less fit". Humane people, influenced by philosophical or religious beliefs that prize human beings of whatever capacity take steps to ensure that the less fit are not crushed into subsistance living by the most fit.

The benefits of doing this, to the society as a whole are obvious to anyone who lives outside of the United States, a country that appears to be undergoing crises of all sorts as a result of social Darwinism.

I have to be honest here, I feel for the original OP of this thread. What has happened with the blatant blackballing of Ron Paul is nothing short of criminal. Every MSM source did their best to downplay, disparage and silence him. You have to wonder why this is so. What makes him such a threat that the powers that be need to stoop to such low levels to discredit him? It's because he says the things they do NOT want anyone to hear. It doesn't work for the bankers and corporate overlords to have that man in office. He opposes their greed and avarice. He promotes limiting government and their power over a free thinking, free willed society. I want to stress that I am in no way a racist person in any way shape or form. I see all people the same - no color or creed is above another. The democrats have always appealed to the minorities in this country. It has always been their ticket to success. Republicans have always appealed to corporations and the majority of the religious class of this nation. Anymore, I see the two parties blending in a way that makes them seem almost impossible to tell apart. Our president has put into law for goodness sake, legislation that could at any time, turn this country on its ear in the form of the NDAA act, that gives the government unlimited power over the people of this country at ANY time. This should appall people! The previous presidents before him paved the path in undermining our rights as citizens as well for a long time now, and and it hasn't been a quick process. NEITHER party cares about your rights as a member of the middle class. They are both in bed with the corporations who have been lobbying for their special interests, not YOURS. Both sides have been bought and paid for before the elections even start. The corporations own both sides. No matter which candidate, Romney or Obama winning will much matter. The two party system is corrupt and it needs to be done away with. What is happening now is really nothing new, OP. It's always been this way. Anyone who speaks out on behalf of the people and against corporate tyranny will be silenced. It isn't the first time, and will most certainly, not be the last.