Kerry's dishonorable discharge?

edsinger

did kerry earn a Big Chicken Dinner....$50 bucks and the escort to the gate?

Whether either Kerry or Bush signs from 180 is not the issue. The form only releases the documents to an individual. That is why Bush signed an executive order to release all of his documents.


Why has Kerry not done the same? Link

Why has he not authorized the release of the additional documents found by the Navy? Why does he continue to dodge the issue?

Why, when it is clear this is a hot button issue, especially among military voters, whose absentee ballotting numbers are at record levels and support the President by an overwhelming better than 4 to 1 margin, has Kerry not done anything to put this issue to rest? it is a very simple thing to do, yet he refuses. What is he hiding?

I like the info edsinger. The Bush camp still has a lot of dirt to fling, but that will happen when the actual election gets closer.

This guy lost his security clearence, and he would be in charge of "the football" ?!?!?!?!?!

If this doesn't wake democrats up, nothing will.

This guy was not cleared to do anything, as it has been shown, yet this man is in charge of the most powerfull conventional and nuclear force the world has ever known.

If that isn't sKerry enough, this guy parades around like he is some kind of war hero!

If this guy gets elected, I may have to borrow my friends barret .50 and take a trip down to DC... But then again is Edwards any better????

Originally posted by everlastingnoitall
Whether either Kerry or Bush signs from 180 is not the issue. The form only releases the documents to an individual. That is why Bush signed an executive order to release all of his documents.


Why has Kerry not done the same? Link

Why has he not authorized the release of the additional documents found by the Navy? Why does he continue to dodge the issue?

Why, when it is clear this is a hot button issue, especially among military voters, whose absentee ballotting numbers are at record levels and support the President by an overwhelming better than 4 to 1 margin, has Kerry not done anything to put this issue to rest? it is a very simple thing to do, yet he refuses. What is he hiding?

He cant let it go public and the answer is an obvious one...

Originally posted by American Mad Man
This guy lost his security clearence, and he would be in charge of "the football" ?!?!?!?!?!
If this doesn't wake democrats up, nothing will.

Notice how the SKerry supporters will not answer this, kinda quiet on this becuase even they know what would happen if the proof is found in the next 2 weeks. Bush had his freebie....and missed...

BUMP, now is the chance to do something, go sign the petition! More links also at the beginning of the thread.

Originally posted by American Mad Man
If this guy gets elected, I may have to borrow my friends barret .50 and take a trip down to DC... But then again is Edwards any better????

watch it there bud this forum is spidered.

Originally posted by vincere7

Originally posted by American Mad Man
If this guy gets elected, I may have to borrow my friends barret .50 and take a trip down to DC... But then again is Edwards any better????

watch it there bud this forum is spidered.

He is blowing off steam, Why in the hell he would come after Kerry with a pea shooter is beyond me.

Really I took no offense, these things get heated sometimes. If it made him feel better, no big deal. Like it says, he is a mad man

But actually you are right, he needs to clarify that he was only joking. No matter how much I dislike Kerry, no one should even contemplate something like that......

Lets see what he is hiding!


You know you really want to know the truth....

Sign now!

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Originally posted by EastCoastKid
Edsinger, the point to this stuff is trying to kick up enuff dust to distract. It ain't working, so ya might as well keep diggin' in your Neo-Con approved bag of dirty tricks. You folks are running out of time and are beyond empty on credibility.

It's like dgtempe said, Dubya could only dream of having Kerry's record.

Btw, your avatar shows us you clearly have a hard-on for the Shrub, so how can we take you seriously?

The whole point of Edsinger is Bush signed his form 180.

Kerry refuses, because there is something in his military record he wants to hide.

Btw, I wouldn't talk about someone elses avatar. You know exactly what I'm talking about.

Originally posted by EastCoastKid
It's like dgtempe said, Dubya could only dream of having Kerry's record.
Btw, your avatar shows us you clearly have a hard-on for the Shrub, so how can we take you seriously?

Hehe well I guess he wouldnt want to dream of Kerry's record, it would be called a nightmare! Why wont he sign it? Why have we not heard ONE decent reason as to why Kerry shouldn't sign it?I will tell you why, they are scared thier man might go down in flames and Bush wins by default. THis one has them spooked and all this time both Bush and Cheney have been saying nice things about his service, I think it was a set up......Kerry is in deep trouble becuase now this is making it to news stories and folks are digging.....

Originally posted by Carseller4
The whole point of Edsinger is Bush signed his form 180.
Kerry refuses, because there is something in his military record he wants to hide.Btw, I wouldn't talk about someone elses avatar. You know exactly what I'm talking about.

That doesnt bother me, it just shows you what's on his mind......

With all due respect, ed, I do believe that a person's character of service is in the public domain and that if Kerry had been dishonorably discharged it, being a part of the public record, would be common knowledge by now.

[edit on 04/10/17 by GradyPhilpott]

I_AM_that_I_AM so, first you want to trump up fake charges, which even President Bush has denied.
Then you want to claim that they are true, naming some mysterious
"informant", while expecting Kerry to have to disprove your statement.
Welcome to america, where you are innocent until proven guilty.
If you are goingto make charges against any one, you have to prove your case first. They don't have to prove $h!+ to you. by I_AM_that_I_AM


Notice I said IF? So why will he not release it? Look how can a man get a discharge 20 years AFTER he left the service? What is he hiding? Bush cant say it as it is not in the public domain and will not be unless Kerry signs the form. That is the whole point. I am not saying it is true, but his reluctance to sign the form makes me wonder. I mean medals RE-Issued in 1985? DD-214 Reissued under Clinton? It all smells fishy to me......and with what IS in the public domain, I can very well see why the Navy would have given him a OTH or General OR DisHonarable discharge. It would make sense with the medals part. read the information...and judge for yourself. The smoking gun if real is protected by none other than John Kerry's signature.


As for the MODS closing the other thread, I understand why but I was trying to get some legal folks to sind out how that would happen. I mean you cant impeach the man for acts commited BEFORE he was elected. It was a different question, but I see the point of closing it. Sorry.

New information out....They are looking!



Well personally I am glad someone is looking into this as the voters (all sides have the right to know if the man has the chance to be POTUS.


Oct 18 2004

Top GOPers in 'Major Effort' to Uncover Kerry's Naval Discharge



Top Republicans in Washington are trying to determine whether or not John Kerry received an honorable discharge from the Navy, the reporter who's taken the lead in probing Kerry's naval records said Sunday.

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
With all due respect, ed, I do believe that a person's character of service is in the public domain and that if Kerry had been dishonorably discharged it, being a part of the public record, would be common knowledge by now.

[edit on 04/10/17 by GradyPhilpott]

Well I would have thought so, but it seems that the irregularities in his discharge make the possiblity of an Other Than Honorable discharge highly likely and DisHonorable possible. See the medals are the "warning signs'.

His dischage was updated? From what? That is the whole swifty 180 deal and I believe why the man will not sign the darn form. Look into it and then say you think it unlikely. With the Dan Rather deal, people are leary unless it is concrete and if Kerry does not sign it, well it hass to be proved another way.

Originally posted by American Mad Man
If this guy gets elected, I may have to borrow my friends barret .50 and take a trip down to DC... But then again is Edwards any better????

You see, if it were Bush you were talking about, this could get you in major trouble.

What strikes me in this election campaign is that some extremists don't want Kerry to lose. They want him disqualified, tried, stripped of his senator position, sent to jail, and as was just shown, maybe even dead. If they could send him to the electric chair, they would. So I ask this - the Republicans had the last 20 years to object to John Kerry's record, and they didn't until this election year. Why?

Another thought... if it were to come to pass that the Republicans got Kerry disqualified as a candidate for the Presidency, then starting in '08, everything is allowed. Every kind of legal action, constitutional action, etc. to try to disqualify a candidate from sitting in the Oval Office will happen. This would pull out the last limits.

I don't know who will be the opposing party's candidate in 2008, but with that kind of climate, I already know that he - or she - should be aware that he/she will lose his/her reputation not only as a politician, but as a decent human being.

Originally posted by OttsYou see, if it were Bush you were talking about, this could get you in major trouble.

Yeah that was uncool to say the least. I do not wish Kerry dead? I just wish him to come clean is all.

Originally posted by Otts
What strikes me in this election campaign is that some extremists don't want Kerry to lose. They want him disqualified, tried, stripped of his senator position, sent to jail, and as was just shown, maybe even dead. If they could send him to the electric chair, they would. So I ask this - the Republicans had the last 20 years to object to John Kerry's record, and they didn't until this election year. Why?

Well I will say this, I do not want him stripped of anything accept that honorable discharge he got (late I might add). He can even stay in the Senate. But this man has no RIGHT to be running for the Commander in Chief...none...it disgusts me as a veteran. I served and I have that right.
20 Years is a long time, but you must understand the stakes are higher now, I mean T. Kennedy gets away with Chapaquiddick, so let Massachusettes have them.

Originally posted by Otts
Another thought... if it were to come to pass that the Republicans got Kerry disqualified as a candidate for the Presidency, then starting in '08, everything is allowed. Every kind of legal action, constitutional action, etc. to try to disqualify a candidate from sitting in the Oval Office will happen. This would pull out the last limits.

Well there should be some minimum criteria and standards would you not agree? I men he should be able to run on his liberal record fine, but the Vietnam parts disqualifies him, as stated in the Constitution.

We, the People of these United States, rightfully petition our national government to prosecute John Kerry for "giving aid and comfort to the enemy" and to disqualify him for national office.

Kerry has a long and well-documented history of providing "aid and comfort" to the enemy in time of war -- particularly in the case of North Vietnam, Nicaragua and Cuba. Kerry, by his own account of his actions and protests, violated the UCMJ, the Geneva Conventions and the U.S. Code while serving as a Navy officer. Kerry met, on two occasions, with North Vietnamese negotiators in 1970 and 1971, willingly placing himself in violation of Article three, Section three of the U.S. Constitution, which defines treason as "giving aid and comfort" to the enemy in time of warfare.

Thus, in accordance with the Constitution's Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3, which states, "No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President ... having previously taken an oath ... to support the Constitution of the United States, [who has] engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof," We, the People of these United States, believe John F. Kerry is unfit for public office.

GO here if you believe he is unqualified due to this:

patriotpetitions.us...

Originally posted by Otts
I don't know who will be the opposing party's candidate in 2008, but with that kind of climate, I already know that he - or she - should be aware that he/she will lose his/her reputation not only as a politician, but as a decent human being.

I am afraid you might be right, it is open season and it started with Clinton. A man would be a fool to run for High office if he has any skeletons now. This is truly sad.

edsinger - actually, the smear tactics in an election campaign date back to way before Clinton. I remember seeing, in 1988, a Doonesbury cartoon showing Bush and Dukakis, sleeves rolled up, hurling mud at each other.

There's always been smear in election campaigns. That's part of the game. But in politics, once a tactic is used successfully by one party, it creates a precedent as to what is acceptable in an campaign. And sadly, no party has the monopoly of creativity when it comes to that.

What I fear, though, is that if the Republicans - god forbid - were to succeed in disqualifying John Kerry, the Democrats would certainly seek retribution in '08. And as, in this context, no candidate would be an incumbent President - Bush would be ending a second term - both parties might try to disqualify the other's candidate, as this would be seen as an acceptable strategy after the "Kerry precedent".

Originally posted by vincere7

Originally posted by American Mad Man
If this guy gets elected, I may have to borrow my friends barret .50 and take a trip down to DC... But then again is Edwards any better????

watch it there bud this forum is spidered.

OK - to make it clear - I would not attempt to kill Kerry if he was elected

It is my fault for the confusion - I forget that people really do't know you that well online to understand when you are just messing around.

Besides - I enjoy life way too much to end up on the arm of a guy named Jamal for the rest of my life

[edit on 20-10-2004 by American Mad Man]