Am I missing something about circumcision?

Circumc ision benefits outweigh risks, but parents should choose, pediatricians say

Circumcision lowers the risk of a range of diseases, from AIDS to herpes, and doesn’t hurt sexual performance or pleasure in adulthood, the American Academy of Pediatrics said. While the Academy doesn’t go so far as to recommend circumcision as routine, it’s the group’s strongest endorsement yet of the sometimes controversial procedure.

Just found out my wife is pregnant. All of a sudden circumcision is a big deal for me. Never gave it much thought before. I'm cut, just like every other guy in my family. But not for religious reasons. Just a cultural thing I guess.

No big deal for me, but now I have to make the decision for someone else!

I don't think I want to have it done to my child.

A: It's a weird practice when you really think about it
B: I have no covenant with god and I don't think he wants my son's foreskin.
C: What if the doc slips up or some kind of complication arises?!
D: I don't live in a third world country. We have access to soap and and condoms here.

But the CDC keeps saying how circumcision dramatically lowers the risk for STD's and other health problems. Ok, I get it. I understand how that works.

But don't condoms, basic personal hygiene, and general safe sex practices work too?? The way some of the news articles talk about it makes it seem like circumcision is the only way to prevent the spread of AIDS.

Am I missing something here? Can't you be uncircumcised and just use a freaking condom like everyone else?

I`ll tell you this. I`m done and can`t remember it due to it was at that age it should be so I don`t recall it thank God. I say that due to knowing a relative that had issues that made him need it done later like in his 40`s or early 50`s. He could hardly walk and was in so much pain.

But hey to each their own.

With the whole condom/no condom disease risk question, circumcision is a one and done thing.
Sort of like a 45 year old woman could just take birth control... or get her tubes tied.

Cut or not, you'll still make babies, so a condom will probably end up being used regardless. Or at least you'd hope.

Id do it for his sex life. All the girls I've been with are grossed out at the thought of an uncut guy because circumcised is usually what they associate with "normal"

Of course you'll have the people coming around claiming you are some pleasure killing mutilator... ignore them.

reply to post by ZeroReady


i just had the same situation, reality is that most of that research was funded by Jewish organizations, from the christian perspective it is a blood rite, which was once necessary until Jesus died that is, also the chances of std's (sti's whatever they want to call them these days) is the same, use a condom. that would be the reason you can get free ones everywhere. neways its your choice, but i see it as a sin, and a ridiculous one at that, forced down our throats as a "good idea" by rich Jewish extremists who just like to make everyone follow their beliefs.

personally i was circumcised and now i have whats called delayed ejaculation, which probably sounds great till you realize not many women can last for 2 straight hours, and that it takes away allot of the fun when everything hurts (in a bad way) from doing to for so long.

reply to post by ZeroReady


I struggled with this decision too. In the end, 37% less likely to get aids put me over the top. I stood outside the nursery as it was happening and the little guy didn't even cry. Pretty proud of the little tough guy. They took him right back to mom and he ate and then took a nap.

This subject has been debated to death...

People circumcised will try to find the good things about the procedure, and vice-versa for the other group.

you will find 1000 benefits of side A and Side B will find 1000 detrimental effect.


My opinion would be leave it to nature.

reply to post by daslobo

So is there a specialist who comes in and does it or just some random Dr? Did you get to talk to the guy a little before the procedure?

My biggest concern is that they'll mess it up some how and he'll be maimed for the rest of his life for no reason. I'd never forgive myself if that happened.

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I had my 18month old son done a week after he was born. And we are about to do our newborn as well. I gave it a lot of research.

Not only is it better, but your son is going to want to look like his daddy. Daddy is cut, just like his son. My son seemed like he wasn't in that much pain after a few days.

The diaper changing will hurt for a couple days.

No offense but why are Americans so brainwashed by a bunch of Jews ?

No, it's not okay mutilating your child against his will
No, it's not protecting you against AIDS... really STD's? Who would even investigate something like that? Only Jews would. It's like being OK playing russian roulette if the odds are 37% less... what a joke.

Yes, it does kill your nerves and your sexlife (circumcised guys have no say in this sorry you simply don't know what's missing)
Yes, it's weird and look even weirder... just cause everyone jumps off a bridge... Who would even consider cutting a piece of his dick unless you live is some dirty sandhole and don't see water for months and your dick is all sandy...

It's a very disturbing and vile practice that has to stop. Luckily Germany was the first to take steps to stop it and I hope many countries will follow.

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Many countries?

80% of the population of the world does not do it. Its mainly American and some European religious ritual that became tradition.

reply to post by theinsolentfish


This may be a bit off topic since the OP doesn't have much religious interest in circumcision, but this verse inspires my view of the Jewish push behind circumcision.
Philippians 3:1-11

Look out for the dogs, look out for the evildoers, look out for those who mutilate the flesh. For we are the circumcision, who worship by the Spirit of God and glory in Christ Jesus and put no confidence in the flesh— though I myself have reason for confidence in the flesh also. If anyone else thinks he has reason for confidence in the flesh, I have more: circumcised on the eighth day, of the people of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews; as to the law, a Pharisee; as to zeal, a persecutor of the church; as to righteousness under the law, blameless. But whatever gain I had, I counted as loss for the sake of Christ. Indeed, I count everything as loss because of the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord. For his sake I have suffered the loss of all things and count them as rubbish, in order that I may gain Christ and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which comes through faith in Christ, the righteousness from God that depends on faith— that I may know him and the power of his resurrection, and may share his sufferings, becoming like him in his death, that by any means possible I may attain the resurrection from the dead.

Paul wrote a letter to the early church in philippi and this passage concerns the lingering doctrine of working your way to Heaven. He is essentially saying that salvation isn't obtained through rituals like circumcision, but by the atoning death and resurrection of Christ, and that earthly gains and works(like forcing/requiring) circumcision can be more of a hindrance than anything because it draws focus away from true salvation.
Same reason protestants eat pork.

Anyway, I hope this helps your decision in some way.. although this didn't seem to be a problem you were having.

When I was pregnant with my first child I asked my mother what she thought. This is because I have no experience in the matter and neither did my husband. She explained that typically, the baby will follow in his father's footsteps because it is easier to explain to them and for them to be the same as daddy. We ended up having a girl.

Now I am pregnant with my second, a boy, and we had already decided that we will NOT circumsize. My husband is not snipped and I am ever thankful for that. I, personally, love it. In my opinion, disease and complications arise do to un-hygienic practice and failure to use a condom. (Which can cause issues in ANY case, cut or not) After all, if men where not meant to have foreskin then nature would have taken care of that along the way.

Originally posted by luciddream
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Many countries?

80% of the population of the world does not do it. Its mainly American and some European religious ritual that became tradition.

You trollin' right ?

American Religious ritual??? Last time I checked these rituals are from an African desert. And not sure how old you are or had any education but I would say Asia has FARRRRRRR more mutilated males walking around with cut willies than you will ever find in Europe. Hell even Indonesia outnumbers probably whole of Europe.

And yes Many countries or you think people don't migrate and take their desert culture with them....

reply to post by ZeroReady


Unless you're a jew or christian i wouldn't even bother with it, and it's not even a requirement for christians, just a traditional thing. The docs are right, circumcision does not effect sexual performance, but probably does help cut down on bladder infections. Your kid won't even remember it happening if it's done after birth. As MeesterB below stated, many women find an uncircumscised male unattractive, but if theyre that shallow then he'd be better off without them anyway.

Originally posted by MeesterB
All the girls I've been with are grossed out at the thought of an uncut guy because circumcised is usually what they associate with "normal"

How many have you been with? 3? Since when an uncut penis is gross and unpleasant for an woman? In my experience is not the look of your gun that counts but how good are you in shooting. And yes, I'm uncut and never had an issue with that sort of "cosmetics"...

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You trollin' right ?

Not at all.

American Religious ritual??

It was because of Jewish religious rituals, which turned tradition in the modern era, if you ask why they do it now, the answer would be, "my dad and grandpa had it".

Last time I checked these rituals are from an African desert.

Some tribes in Africa does do it, As well as Female Circumcision.

had any education but I would say Asia has FARRRRRRR more mutilated males walking around with cut willies than you will ever find in Europe.

You do know Africa and Middle east is not Asia, brush up on geography? Asian being "mainly"(high populated areas) India/China, DOES NOT circumcise, that should cover about 3.5 Billion population. There are other South East countries that are not influenced by Islam does not either.

Indonesia outnumbers.

have you seen the amount of muslim population and immigration to indonesia?

Originally posted by ZeroReady
reply to post by daslobo

 

So is there a specialist who comes in and does it or just some random Dr? Did you get to talk to the guy a little before the procedure?

My biggest concern is that they'll mess it up some how and he'll be maimed for the rest of his life for no reason. I'd never forgive myself if that happened.

Maimed is exactly what your boy will be, but that's not something you'd understand, being maimed yourself.

When you understand this, you'll no longer be on the fence about mutilating your son's sex life.

Originally posted by Telos

Originally posted by MeesterB
All the girls I've been with are grossed out at the thought of an uncut guy because circumcised is usually what they associate with "normal"

How many have you been with? 3? Since when a non uncut penis is gross and unpleasant for an woman? In my experience is not the look of your gun that counts but how good are you in shooting. And yes, I'm uncut and never had an issue with that sort of "cosmetics"...

Yeah a few. Since I'm using anecdotal evidence, I obviously don't intend for my statement to be true in every case and I know human sexuality is a complicated thing.

Maybe I should've been more clear about my point. Point being that operating within the sexual norms of the community will increase the individual's enjoyment/success in sex.