Liberals Believe That Voter Fraud Doesn't Exist:

There seems to be some confusion. Liberals and Democrats do not equal the same thing. Neither does republican and conservative. I said liberals, not democrats do not believe in voter fraud. But I'm sure most democrats don't either!

When the source code for the vote counting black boxes is not open source how can you trust anything.

"they" ?

that type of thinking

IS THE PROBLEM !!!!!

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reply to post by lakesidepark


No you are incorrect and that is the entire problem. If you are a felon you are a felon for life, hence the little box on every employment application that pretty much ensures if you are a felon you will not get the job. The title does not just go away. It is already established in the source material, that the vote was deliberately fraudulent because felons turned the election. This is the claim. I already provided you with proof that under what your definition of what a felon is they could not have fraudulently voted because only Vermont and Maine allow inmates to vote absentee while in prison.

The Minnesota case however was not because inmates in prison were voting. It was felons that had been released voting, that had thought that they were in fact allowed to vote. In Minnesota a Felon must complete their incarceration, parole and probation (the latter two being once they are released from prison) and then they are eligible to vote. This is where the voting confusion in this election spawned. This is why it is difficult to prove the Felons in question committed another felony by fraudulently voting. They have to prove that they voted knowing that they can not vote. Just like you, they thought when they were released that they were eligible. This is the situation in most cases of voter fraud when it relates to felons. Misinformed people believing they can.

Again there are two ways to lose your felon status. A judge expunges or seals your record. The State Governor or the President of the United States grants you clemency. Until one of those two things happen you still have to check the box that says you are a felon when applying for work.

I do want to note that I do appreciate your stance on the disenfranchising of felons however. And I agree with you on that. It makes zero sense to disallow someone who is not in prison from voting. It only works to further and disenfranchise them from rejoining and becoming productive to society at large.

Voter ID is the only way to eliminate voter fraud. In every state in the Union you can get a Drivers License or a State ID Card, there simple and easy to get and cost you under $20.

Its suppressing the vote to have people show ID when voting? What a load of crap.

To register your child in public school you need 2 forms of ID which prove residence and a birth certificate to prove the child is yours. And that just to go to public school which is free.

You need an ID to buy booze, Tobacco, see and R Rated Movie, rent a video form a video store, buy a gun, buy a house, apply for unemployment, apply for welfare, and may more things which are to numerous to mention.


Those who are against Voter ID laws are out to screw the public. Voter ID Laws are the only way to safe guard the Vote, which is the only way "We the People" have to control our government.

And on a side note for those of you wondering how many Republicans get caught versus Democrats.

For every 100 Democrats that get caught stuffing the ballot box you will find 1 Republican doing the same.

So everyone need to throw your support in and get Voter ID Laws passed in all 50 states.

Your vote is the only power you have in this country so guard it well.

Originally posted by jjf3rd77
The sides are polarized once again on the issue of voter fraud and the ##SNIPPED## believe that it doesn't exist.

They call racism and targeting minorities as a sign that the republicans are trying to stop democrats from voting. Hold on here for a moment. Don't most young people have IDs? And two if that. One to get into clubs illegally and drink and party with friends? Second why would minorities be targeted if they have to show an ID to vote? YOU NEED AN ID FOR EVERYTHING!!!!

I just cannot believe how many people can think that voter fraud does not exist...

Fraud? 1099 Felons won by 302 ballots

Cases of Voter Fraud "Virtually" Non-existent

Hannity Yells at Democrat for Calling Racist Card/Saying Voter Fraud Doesn't Exist

Laywers Stunned After Lead Plaintiff in ID Case Gets ID Anyway

Come on liberals. Wake up and smell the coffee!

edit on Fri Aug 17 2012 by DontTreadOnMe because: Reaffirming Our Desire For Productive Political Debate (REVISED)

You would be for poll taxes back in the day huh?

reply to post by jjf3rd77

Liberals Believe That Voter Fraud Doesn't Exist:

Uh, no. No, they don't.

Not sure where you got that idea.

Actually, lots of the "liberals" I know believe that elections are rigged from the get-go. Is that what you mean by "voter fraud"? 'Hanging chads'? Yeah.... I will never, ever forget how W stole the election from Gore, thanks to his brother the Gov of Florida.

That was the election that tipped me totally to believing the government machine of the USA is totally corrupt and fake.
I keep hoping I'm wrong, but.....yeah, not so much. Pics or it didn't happen.

reply to post by buster2010


www.youtube.com... voter fraud in 1946 it was not succesfull because the vetrans of the town stormed the jail when corrupt politicans tried to rig the vote

www.constitution.org...

SOURCE: The Knoxville Journal, August 10, 1946; Page 1, 2. Arkansas GIs Threat New Riots Say Athens, Tenn., Outbreak May Be Mild In Comparison Little Rock, Ark., Aug. 9 (UP) — Determined veterans' opposition to entrenched local political machines flared heatedly in several Arkansas counties today, and one GI candidate said the Athens, Tenn., rioting would be "mild in comparison if there are any irregularities" at the polls. At Malvern, William Weaver, veteran and candidate for sheriff in Hot Springs County, charged his opponent, Ed Deere, was "custodian" of the ballot boxes and warned that "what will happen here" would eclipse the Tennessee GI political revolt. In Yell County, near the Oklahoma border, a crowd of 1500 veterans prepared for a mass meeting tonight to draft an independent ticket to oppose the machine slate of Chancellor John E. Chambers in general elections in the "free state of Yell." In Hot Spring County, Weaver and Coyle Collie, veteran of the Battle of the Bulge, are trying to overthrow the long-entrenched machine of Sheriff Jack Knight. GIs at Malvern planned a meeting tomorrow night. Weaver said "we just want to get a foot in the door of Knight's 'little Tammany' machine." Meanwhile, a five-man committee of veterans found an 87-vote discrepancy in votes cast for county treasurer, thus placing Norman Gray, veterans' candidate, in a runoff with incumbent Treasurer Ernest Stroud. The first official count declared Stroud the winner with a majority, but disgruntled GI forces appointed the committee last night to examine the ballots. In Ouachita a hot election loomed in which veterans are opposing veterans. Despite a no-political clause in its constitution, the Arkansas Department of Veterans of Foreign Wars entered the picture with a statement by State Commander Bob Ed. Loftin, who charged politicians were trying to "use" the VFW vote to influence undecided voters. In Hot Springs (Garland County), a final move to defeat the only successful GI candidate against Mayor Leo McLaughlin's potent local machine, failed today. Prosecuting Atty. Curtis Ridgeway, defeated by ex-Marine Col. Signey McMath, demanded a recount, but the new totals changed only two votes. McMath was the only veteran-supported candidate to win the recent primary.

i personally believe elenor roosevelts take on the matter good read as well its at the top of the article but the whole thing is a good read cops even resorted to holding hostages..... but as the above states they did try to rig it but it was stopped before it could be used by the corrupt politcians in question so it has been attempted....

reply to post by jjf3rd77


This is even more interesting since the cases that are discovered tend to be overwhelmingly liberal/Democratic. It isn't the Republicans that are caught cheating. Saw that, on the nightly news, for weeks in Florida, back in 2000. Democratic counters trying to toss out ballots for Bush, trying to punch multiple holes in others, and so forth. Democrats stealing ballot boxes, false voter registrations, dead people and convicts voting for the Democratic candidates, Democrats assaulting the elderly in campaign offices, and on and on and on. That last one, my husband was under 5 minutes late from seeing in action.

Yet liberals scream bloody murder when people want valid identification shown to vote. You can't rent a movie at Blockbuster without it, check out a book from your local library, drive a car, receive any government funds, rent a hotel room, or a car, or apartment, or PO box, or storage unit, etc, cash a check, open a bank account, buy liquor, buy cigarettes, buy Sudafed, purchase M-rated games, or R-rated movies in some places, get a prescription, buy a gun or ammo, get a fishing or hunting license, get a JOB, fly on a commercial airliner, ride Amtrak, sell to a pawn shop, get a tattoo, gamble in a casino, visit a strip club, and so on, but they think you should be able to vote without one. Only people that want illegal votes want no voter ID. The poor and elderly are supposedly hurt by this? The ones getting welfare (ID required), or social security benefits (ID required)? Nope, doesn't add up.

I don't think they believe there is no fraud (those that claim to believe this), but that they pretend to, in order to get away with the same.

Adding a link to a partial list of voter fraud cases. No, not all involved ID, but that isn't the point. Some DID, as those of illegal aliens voting, who, if they were denied ID (THANK YOU Governor Brewer), could not get away with that with a good voter ID law:

here you go

Now, for those stating that if "one person" is denied a right to vote, the law is wrong, nope, doesn't fly. If ten people get to vote that should not, then my one vote doesn't mean ANYTHING. We must have laws preventing those not eligible to vote, or we may as well hand the nation over to any invading group. If anyone, literally, can vote, what's the point?

Originally posted by KeliOnyx
In fact no you don't. It is very easy to assume that you need a photo ID for everything when in fact you don't. There is really only one thing you have to have a photo ID for, driving. Store policy is what decides whether or not you need one before they accept a check. It is against the credit card companies agreement with the merchants for them to ask you for an ID when you use a credit card. You do not need one to get benefits because there are a number of other documents that can be used to confirm your identity.

So, if the person doesn't have an ID to cash the check, how did they manage to open the bank account upon which they are writing the check? You cannot do that without proper identification. Nor can you cash a check in the bank without said ID.

Originally posted by KeliOnyx Texas is an example of this where once you could use your student ID, that is no longer acceptable but you can use your carry permit.

That's because a student ID can be obtained by any student, including foreign ones, but a carry permit requires verified identification as a citizen, along with background checks, etc.

Originally posted by KeliOnyxDid it occur to you that someone else paid for her trip to DC?

So she can find someone to pay for a trip to DC, but not for a ride to the local office to get identification? Hmmm.....

Originally posted by KeliOnyxA great many people that do not need to drive and therefore have no need to acquire a photo ID.

On what do those people live? If they get a paycheck, they need ID to cash it. Direct deposit requires a bank account, which required ID. Welfare benefits require ID, as do Social Security benefits. Their living costs are coming from somewhere, and no legitimate source can be obtained with no identification. You can't even get into school without ID, or at least that's how it used to be. Unless someone is a criminal, or sponging off others for everything, they need ID. Those two categories shouldn't be voting anyway.

Originally posted by KeliOnyxdid it every occur to you that maybe they are more concerned about things like staying warm and keeping a roof over their head that they don't have the time to deal with the bureaucracy involved in getting an ID

How do they rent that "roof", or obtain that mortgage, without ID?