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Liberals Believe That Voter Fraud Doesn't Exist:

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posted on Aug, 17 2012 @ 05:33 PM
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posted on Aug, 17 2012 @ 06:56 PM
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Originally posted by KeliOnyx
I would like to take a moment to point something out to the uninformed that keep saying felons are ineligible to vote. This is patently false, please stop spreading disinformation.


It is absoliutely TRUE. You refer to EX-felons. If you are a FELON, then you are in prison. Everything you cite is restoring voting rights to EX-felons (people that have served their time).



posted on Aug, 17 2012 @ 07:05 PM
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Originally posted by lakesidepark

Originally posted by KeliOnyx
I would like to take a moment to point something out to the uninformed that keep saying felons are ineligible to vote. This is patently false, please stop spreading disinformation.


It is absoliutely TRUE. You refer to EX-felons. If you are a FELON, then you are in prison. Everything you cite is restoring voting rights to EX-felons (people that have served their time).


Ex-Felon.

another deflection codeword.



posted on Aug, 17 2012 @ 07:21 PM
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Originally posted by lakesidepark

If it was me, I would REQUIRE more than voter ID, I would DEMAND proof that the citizen is informed and casting a vote based on issues and concerns....not celebrity status and popularity. Of course, that will never happen since it could be abused to shut out citizens. Voter ID is the best we can do.


Originally posted by KeliOnyx

Good thing it isn't up to you. The last thing we need are more hypocritical self-righteous people telling people what they can and cannot do.


Did I say that we SHOULD do that? I recognize my self-righteous attitude, and the possibility that such a thing might discriminate. So you SHOULD be glad it isn't me that makes the policy.

I still believe that uninformed people should not vote, but that is something that cannot be verified, so that is something we as a nation have to accept. But UNIDENTIFIED people should not be allowed to vote, and this is something we CAN verify. And I feel the voter ID should be supplemented with other policies to guarantee the integrity of the absentee ballots and the registration process.

Funny, I was talking with an immigrant today, from south of here (legal - working toward citizenship). Very strong liberal ideas. Very much in support of immigration reforms. And itching for the day that he can legally vote in his new home country.

But also very questioning of the opposition to voter ID; couldn't figure out why it was opposed so much. It is only common sense that a function that is so important to our nation should be protected from subversion. This should be a concern to all citizens of whatever political persuasion, as not securing our elective process can open the door to subversion by any party that is able to commit the most fraud.

It is a battle between those that support a nation of laws, and those that support anarchy, and this is a small sample of that battle, hidden under politics and racism. But it is neither.

I stand with the legal. IF that is self-righteous, then so be it.
edit on 17-8-2012 by lakesidepark because: but if I made the laws....well be glad I don't.



posted on Aug, 17 2012 @ 07:49 PM
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Originally posted by xuenchen

Originally posted by lakesidepark

Originally posted by KeliOnyx
I would like to take a moment to point something out to the uninformed that keep saying felons are ineligible to vote. This is patently false, please stop spreading disinformation.


It is absoliutely TRUE. You refer to EX-felons. If you are a FELON, then you are in prison. Everything you cite is restoring voting rights to EX-felons (people that have served their time).


Ex-Felon.

another deflection codeword.



Why don't you elaborate? Are you one of those that think there is something hidden in every term? Are you suggesting more than what I said? If so, then SAY it so the point can be argued or rebutted, don't just throw out some vague accusation that makes suggestions based on YOUR bias of the term. Another tactic used to discredit positions with which you disagree, without actually doing the name-calling yourself.. 'Deflection Codeword" is just another way of accusing someone of racism, bigotry, and all other matters of discrimination, and that is NOT what I said or what I support. So, elaborate, say what you mean so we can see where YOU stand....

FYI I am NOT opposed to ex-felons (except for high crimes of violence) being able to vote. The ex-felon may have some insight into what needs to be changed about the system. They have served their time and paid their price, they should have their rights restored. No problem there.

But they should have an ID (and not a current prison ID).



posted on Aug, 17 2012 @ 08:25 PM
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So voter fraud doesn't exist? LinkSo why is it that voter id is a bad thing? Whine, whine who does it hurt again to have to show id to vote? Let's make people verify who they are very simple.



posted on Aug, 17 2012 @ 08:54 PM
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No you are Felon in prison or not when you are convicted of a felony. This follows you for life unless you have your record expunged or are granted an executive pardon/clemency. You are considered an ex-con when you are released from prison. ex-con as in ex-convict (not being snide, just being clear.)



posted on Aug, 17 2012 @ 09:12 PM
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Because it doesn't!

One case per state? These is probably "one case" of EVERYTHING in one state. That, percentage wise, is not a big enough problem to spend MILLIONS on reforming a system.

Next topic.



posted on Aug, 17 2012 @ 09:21 PM
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Are you slow? If this was a REAL PROBLEM, why did they wait until 2 months before election to "reform" things and call for a voter ID card? Why not 2 years ago? That way EVERY citizen can have enough time, be informed, and get registered. Why 2 months before election? Or at all?

Well, to make sure some votes ARE NOT COUNTED this election in two months. The votes of minorities, busy, hard working, middle class, and lower class citizens..the ones that wouldn't take time off to go through this pain in the ass step just to vote.

There is less than ONE CASE per state! But how many voters would forget, not get around to it, not hear about the change until the day they go to vote, or just too busy to do it?

THOUSANDS. Thousands of votes would not count. That is their goal. They know it, we know it. Stop lying.



posted on Aug, 17 2012 @ 09:22 PM
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Dirty politics at it's finest.



posted on Aug, 17 2012 @ 09:39 PM
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Originally posted by 00nunya00
Not quite the chorus of high-fives and easy stars and flags you had hoped this thread to be, eh OP? lulz. McKayla says it all for me.


Im quoting to see her agree, I think this pic says it all.



posted on Aug, 17 2012 @ 10:11 PM
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Real reason for voter ID




posted on Aug, 17 2012 @ 11:19 PM
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Originally posted by tothetenthpower
Btw I'm neither replican, nor democrat, I'm a canadian...


Then I guess you don't have a dog in this hunt. Bye.

OP, the Democrats cry that Republicans are "suppressing votes". However, this isn't a rational argument (has there ever been one from Democrats?), since Republicans are less wealthy overall than are Democrats. Why would the Republican suppress their own voter base?

Well, they wouldn't, and anyone with two neurons to rub together would know that. But since to Democrats "only a little fraud is OK", they whine a moan about it...as usual.

/TOA
edit on 17-8-2012 by The Old American because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 18 2012 @ 12:21 AM
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If Republicans are less wealthy than Democrats, why do they consistently vote and rally against their own interests?

Why the billionaire cult?



posted on Aug, 18 2012 @ 12:53 AM
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yeah well rebublicans,democrates and all others including liberals think democercy exsists when are you going to write a thread about that?



posted on Aug, 18 2012 @ 02:35 AM
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Originally posted by DocHolidaze
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yeah well rebublicans,democrates and all others including liberals think democercy exsists when are you going to write a thread about that?


I don't understand this thread. Both the Democrats and Republicans are two sides of the same coin.
Yes there is voter fraud, happens often, but there will always be those that have opposing views on it when it's a matter of getting someone they want elected into office. No matter the political label.

On a side note, I prefer a Republic rather than a Democracy.



posted on Aug, 18 2012 @ 02:47 AM
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i was pointing out that modern government is controlled by a few yet they have made us believe that we(the rest) have a say and even go as far to have elections, its all game and we are losing despite are numbers, the thing is most of the peasant are distracted by Hollywood, internet, tv, fake news, cellphones, and jersey shore, if we all woke up we could be winning



posted on Aug, 18 2012 @ 06:51 AM
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Originally posted by JRockABM
reply to post by lakesidepark
 


Are you slow? If this was a REAL PROBLEM, why did they wait until 2 months before election to "reform" things and call for a voter ID card? Why not 2 years ago? That way EVERY citizen can have enough time, be informed, and get registered. Why 2 months before election? Or at all?



Are you living a sheltered life? Don't keep up with news? This effort has been going on for more than two months (at least). The federal government interceded in several cases where it was being proposed, and the federal government (i.e. Eric Holder) stopped a few states (the largest being Florida) from purging their voter records of non-citizens and dead citizens. Some of the voter ID proposals were made as early as last year. It has been discussed intensely since the last election. Maybe it took you up to two months before the election to hear about it....but it didn't happen yesterday!

If it was a REAL problem, it couldn't be corrected until people could see the dangers of it. After electing our first socialist president, and seeing the stunts he has puilled with his end runs around the legislative process to implement his unknown agenda, it took two years to turn over enough State houses for the local governments to have the votes in their legislatures to even bring it up for discussion. Another year to bring these proposals up for vote. More time after that to battle DOJ (specifically the comtemptable, or better yet, PRE-Felon Eric Holder). obstructionism (who FYI, is the only one listed here that supports voter suppression - by new black panthers at polling places).

So, thousands of people (you say) won't pay attention and just show up to vote without ID (I guess they won't be driving there, and don't have a TV at home, and don't read newspapers or listen to any news on the radio) and therefore will be disenfranchised. If that is so....those people are too uninformed to vote, another goal accomplished.

No lie. No hidden agenda from me. I made it clear that I believe uninformed voters should not be voting. They got two months to get their ID. I suggest they get busy.



posted on Aug, 18 2012 @ 07:09 AM
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Ex-felon has been a tern used to identify those that are convicted of, and have served their time for, a felony. It is a common and correct term.

It is the term used in all of the legislation written to restore their voting rights. This term has been in use at least as far back as the 70's (from my memory from debating the topic of ex-felon voting rights, as part of the larger resolution of that year, in school).

Either way, you know what I mean and the debate over the term is semantics and not pertinent to the topic at hand. And the insinuation you made suggests that I don't support the voting rights of ex-felons, and that is incorrect. After they have served their time, their rights should be restored. And if they want to used their expired prison ID to vote, that's OK with me too (it has a picture and has been verified by the state). Much like the elderly can use their expired driver's licenses as ID in many of the voter ID proposals.



posted on Aug, 18 2012 @ 07:14 AM
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Originally posted by Snoopy1978
reply to post by The Old American
 


If Republicans are less wealthy than Democrats, why do they consistently vote and rally against their own interests?

Why the billionaire cult?



Maybe...because...they believe in the capitalist system, and dream of being a part of it, or making their children a part of it, and are not envious of those that have suceeded, and don't want to see the system destroyed before they get their chance.



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