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Originally posted by ImaFungi
Im all for you,,, I agree and I think if man could truly be trusted to not screw over the consumer then there would be no such thing as government and everything would be private,,, I dont trust unregulated for profit corporations to have my best interests,,
Originally posted by ImaFungi
reply to post by Valhall
what does government subsidizing of a private company mean and do?
Originally posted by FlyersFan
Paul Ryan is a great choice for Romney.
Back when Clinton was in, Clinton had to do some tough things with the budget that a lot of people didn't like (like cutting the military and our hardware) but he got the budget under control. He sacrificed some areas in order to save the majority. Paul Ryans plans do much the same. His budget ideas are tough and some are hard for some to take, but he can make it work and he can save the majority.
Also - Ryan wants to bring back the Clinton-Era 'work for welfare' program that Obama inexplicably destroyed. It was a good program (kudos to Clinton) and the fact that Ryan wants to reestablish it gets a from me.
Originally posted by ImaFungi
Originally posted by FlyersFan
Paul Ryan is a great choice for Romney.
Back when Clinton was in, Clinton had to do some tough things with the budget that a lot of people didn't like (like cutting the military and our hardware) but he got the budget under control. He sacrificed some areas in order to save the majority. Paul Ryans plans do much the same. His budget ideas are tough and some are hard for some to take, but he can make it work and he can save the majority.
Also - Ryan wants to bring back the Clinton-Era 'work for welfare' program that Obama inexplicably destroyed. It was a good program (kudos to Clinton) and the fact that Ryan wants to reestablish it gets a from me.
when clinton cut military spending were there a lot of attacks on american soil? did we lose a lot of freedom? were we still at war in other countries?
Originally posted by Valhall
Originally posted by ImaFungi
Im all for you,,, I agree and I think if man could truly be trusted to not screw over the consumer then there would be no such thing as government and everything would be private,,, I dont trust unregulated for profit corporations to have my best interests,,
And they won't, but guess what? In an unfettered competitive capitalist economy, they don't get away with it very long!
Let's get something straight on HOW we got to where we are on our health care system, which I'm 100% behind needs to be brought under control.
In the beginning God created...oops, wrong book...
In the beginning health insurance was for CATASTROPHIC health care needs. You paid your way and your health insurance was for if something MAJOR happened to you that tended to be beyond the average man's ability to pay for.
Then...then a dangerous and STUPID trend began. Healthcare coverage for EVERYTHING. No longer did you pay your doctor for the visit and pay for whatever medicine was available at that time, but insurance started paying for more and more. And as insurance began to pay the pharma-medico-industry blossom into a kazillion dollar industry fueled by the newly found honey pot. Then...those who believe that those who do not have should have what those who can afford to have pushed to make sure that the government also gave that excessive health care coverage to people who couldn't even afford to pay the premiums themselves. Which led to BUREACRACY creating a bloated out of control system where the honey pot turned into an ocean of suffocatingly sweet molasses and you have the current free-for-all.
Hospitals built and decorated like 5 star hotels....pharmaceutical companies charging thousands and thousands of dollars for a single prescription on certain drugs.
And people suing every time they don't get well so they can get part of the honey pot.
THAT is what led to where we are. Just like US CONSUMERS need to buy greener, use greener and generally live greener, we also need to grow up and realize that if we stub our friggin toe we need to walk it off and if we don't have the backbone to do so, we need to pay for the doctor visit. We need to learn that the damned ER is not for colds and sniffels and little owies. We need to learn how to take an OTC aspirin when we have a headache, or try some homeopathic remedies.
WE'RE SPOILED ROTTEN.edit on 8-11-2012 by Valhall because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by ImaFungi
Originally posted by Valhall
Originally posted by ImaFungi
Im all for you,,, I agree and I think if man could truly be trusted to not screw over the consumer then there would be no such thing as government and everything would be private,,, I dont trust unregulated for profit corporations to have my best interests,,
And they won't, but guess what? In an unfettered competitive capitalist economy, they don't get away with it very long!
Let's get something straight on HOW we got to where we are on our health care system, which I'm 100% behind needs to be brought under control.
In the beginning God created...oops, wrong book...
In the beginning health insurance was for CATASTROPHIC health care needs. You paid your way and your health insurance was for if something MAJOR happened to you that tended to be beyond the average man's ability to pay for.
Then...then a dangerous and STUPID trend began. Healthcare coverage for EVERYTHING. No longer did you pay your doctor for the visit and pay for whatever medicine was available at that time, but insurance started paying for more and more. And as insurance began to pay the pharma-medico-industry blossom into a kazillion dollar industry fueled by the newly found honey pot. Then...those who believe that those who do not have should have what those who can afford to have pushed to make sure that the government also gave that excessive health care coverage to people who couldn't even afford to pay the premiums themselves. Which led to BUREACRACY creating a bloated out of control system where the honey pot turned into an ocean of suffocatingly sweet molasses and you have the current free-for-all.
Hospitals built and decorated like 5 star hotels....pharmaceutical companies charging thousands and thousands of dollars for a single prescription on certain drugs.
And people suing every time they don't get well so they can get part of the honey pot.
THAT is what led to where we are. Just like US CONSUMERS need to buy greener, use greener and generally live greener, we also need to grow up and realize that if we stub our friggin toe we need to walk it off and if we don't have the backbone to do so, we need to pay for the doctor visit. We need to learn that the damned ER is not for colds and sniffels and little owies. We need to learn how to take an OTC aspirin when we have a headache, or try some homeopathic remedies.
WE'RE SPOILED ROTTEN.edit on 8-11-2012 by Valhall because: (no reason given)
once again very well stated and i agree I just dont trust that unregulated capitalism would work as smoothly as you suggest.. the main reason being,, corporations still screw over the consumer and things are "too" regulated.... years after the fact we find companies used lead in their paint or poison in their products,,, corporations will sell death if theres a buyer,, why do a million different candy companies exist in a modern intelligent world,, we know its not good for our kids,, we know its made of artificial preservatives,, as well as all the other food we eat,,which we eat because its the cheapest,, and its the cheapest because the quality is the lowest its the best to produce for profit,, people say quality over quantity,, i say a society of quality and quantity is possible..
Originally posted by ImaFungi
when clinton cut military spending were there a lot of attacks on american soil? did we lose a lot of freedom? were we still at war in other countries?
Originally posted by FlyersFan
Originally posted by ImaFungi
when clinton cut military spending were there a lot of attacks on american soil? did we lose a lot of freedom? were we still at war in other countries?
Attacks on American Soil? Yes. NYC and overseas assets. 9/11 was planned during the Clinton years.
Lose a lot of Freedom? Definately. Loss of freedom with dems and republicans in office.
War in other Countries? Yes. Kosovo ring a bell? The asprin factory bombing? etc etc
Clinton flexes his muscles - foreign policies and where our military went 'active'
Clinton threatens Libya, calls Qaddafi 'creature'
Originally posted by ImaFungi
im curious to know, if anything obama has done has greatly and directly effected you in a negative way? Also if you think romoney will be much different?
Originally posted by FlyersFan
reply to post by Valhall
I wasn't dis'n Clinton. Actually, as the years go by, and bozo after bozo is elected to be POTUS and/or runs to be POTUS, I'm finding myself looking back at his fiscal policies and wishing people now would be more like him (fiscally speaking ... ).
Originally posted by Valhall
Obama seems to be pulling all his nation-killing, right-eliminating acts on purpose. I can't justify anything Obama has done in 4 years. Not a single thing. I can't find anything to point to that I could claim "Okay, that had a good purpose." That's scary.
Originally posted by MidnightTide
reply to post by Valhall
Problem is I see Romney, and Ryan continuing this.....
Originally posted by MidnightTide
reply to post by Valhall
Problem is I see Romney, and Ryan continuing this.....