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Originally posted by DISRAELI
reply to post by NOTurTypical
Yes, perhaps I can add those in a supplementary post.
I might end up doing an extra thread to show all the links, as I did with Revelation.
Finally, there’s the possibility that Wisdom is offered as the means by which Faith is kept steadfast. It is Wisdom that strengthens us, when we’re facing the test, and that’s the reason why we need to ask for it. Which would mean, since God is our source of Wisdom, that God himself, in the last resort, strengthens us for the test and therefore maintains our Faith.
Originally posted by DISRAELI
Interesting comparison;
In v12, James tells us that a man who keeps himself steadfast under testing/temptation will receive "the crown of life".
In 1 Corinthians ch9 vv24-27, Paul tells his readers how he exercises self-control and subdues the body, like an athlete. He does this because he wants to win a victory wreath, an imperishable version of the wreath which athetes won at the Olympics.
But both passages are using the same word (STEPHANOS- crown) for the objective that this self-control is aiming at.
edit on 16-7-2012 by DISRAELI because: (no reason given)
So there’s room for debate about whether James feels brotherhood with poor people as such, or whether he means “fellow-believer”, expecting fellow-believers to be found largely amongst the lowly.
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by EnochWasRight
Forgot the baptism of the Holy Ghost. Administered by Christ Himself.
Originally posted by EnochWasRight
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by EnochWasRight
Forgot the baptism of the Holy Ghost. Administered by Christ Himself.
I don't know for sure, but it seems that the Holy Ghost is the Spirit. Wouldn't they be one in the same? It seems as though gaining the Holy Spirit of God would be the prize for overcoming. According to Revelation, the one who overcomes is then at the side of Christ with God as a ruler.
"The word" you are referring to translated as trials can be found in the Book of Judith,
The fact that James opens his letter with a discussion of Faith(vv2-4) shows how central it is to his teaching, despite his reputation for criticising Faith-dependence.
His first point is that Faith will meet various “trials”. The word is frequently translated as “temptations”, elsewhere in the New Testament, but the basic meaning is that something is being tested.
We should respond to these trials with joy (another word which might clash with his reputation), because of the benefits we can expect from them
Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
Well, how many rich people do you see coming to Christ? They are not poor and desperate, living padded lives they want for no thing. Poor people on the other hand, are brokenhearted and lowly, humble and humiliated
Originally posted by EnochWasRight
One thing that I realized in the last few years: God develops our faith. Faith is not something we develop on our own. God is the one doing the work in us.
Originally posted by DISRAELI
Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
Well, how many rich people do you see coming to Christ? They are not poor and desperate, living padded lives they want for no thing. Poor people on the other hand, are brokenhearted and lowly, humble and humiliated
Yes, indeed, I'm sure that's exactly what james was seeing. Wealthy people were staying with the established system of Judaism, while the Christian faith was being recruited among the poor.
As Paul says in 1 Corinthians, "not many of you are powerful".
That's why I would go for the second option I mentioned, not the first, in the interpretation of the phrase "lowly brother".
That is, I don't believe James is saying "Any man that is poor is my brother".
Instead he is saying "If a man is a Christian brother, there's a near certainty that he must be one of the poor".
(Not being a socialist myself, I don't approve of trying to import socialist ideas into the New Testament, because I think they're anachronistic)
Originally posted by DISRAELI
Originally posted by EnochWasRight
One thing that I realized in the last few years: God develops our faith. Faith is not something we develop on our own. God is the one doing the work in us.
I think "God is doing the work" is an understanding which Protestant thinking tends to find in Paul's writings, and associate with his teaching about "Grace".
Martin Luther might have had a different opinion about James if he had realised that James was making the same point, though in less clear-cut language.