Oklahoma Rep. Mike Ritze moves for nullification of ObamaCare

Representative Mike Ritze is pushing for the State of Oklahoma to nullify ObamaCare.

www.thenewamerican.com...

There is a very good series of posts on this thread about State's rights to nullification:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

And here is a good article on the historical argument about the power of the State's to nullify:

www.campaignforliberty.com...

I support this effort by Rep. Ritze 100%. We are not one nation indivisible. That bullcrap was written by the biggest socialist in existence just after of the first Civil War and adopted by a government as "the pledge of allegiance" in a blatant attempt to shame discord that led to secession.

Stuff it in your invisible indivisible backside. We can do what we want.

Oklahoma...with a gutless governor...may do more than opt out of the health care law, we may opt out of the whole thing! O_O

LOL, this dude is SO in the back pocket of the pharmaceutical industry.

Competition drives prices down, which is good for insurance companies as more people can afford coverage.

When more people are covered, the pharm industry can strong-arm specific manufacturer's products as the default medication covered by the insurance companies.

The only winners of Obamacare or NOT-Obamacare are those within the pharmaceutical industry.

I live in Oklahoma and I can promise you there are not many people around here that are looking forward to ObamaTax taking effect. It is a big pile of political crap that sounds great when you lie and call it "Free" healthcare when it is not even about health care nor is it anywhere close to Free. By definition Free is something you dont pay for right? Just trying to make sure I understand what Free is. I am from Oklahoma you know.

reply to post by TheTardis


I don't think I have ever heard Obamacare referred to as "free"

Originally posted by TheTardis
I live in Oklahoma and I can promise you there are not many people around here that are looking forward to ObamaTax taking effect. It is a big pile of political crap that sounds great when you lie and call it "Free" healthcare when it is not even about health care nor is it anywhere close to Free. By definition Free is something you dont pay for right? Just trying to make sure I understand what Free is. I am from Oklahoma you know.

Free. Y'know, like how you're free to drive on roads that the state builds, maintains, and employs hundreds to thousands who do so.

Or like the police force who will come to your aid for free, or the fire department/EMTs...

But wait, those are all paid for by taxes. SOCIALISM!

Maybe not ALL social programs and/or taxes are bad. Just a thought.

Originally posted by Valhall


Oklahoma...with a gutless governor...may do more than opt out of the health care law, we may opt out of the whole thing! O_O

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Whatever state decides to "opt out of the whole thing" first will have half the population of the us move there and I will be one of the first.

Originally posted by DaTroof

Free. Y'know, like how you're free to drive on roads that the state builds, maintains, and employs hundreds to thousands who do so.

Or like the police force who will come to your aid for free, or the fire department/EMTs...

But wait, those are all paid for by taxes. SOCIALISM!

Maybe not ALL social programs and/or taxes are bad. Just a thought.

One of these things is not like the other. Apparently in Oklahoma we can tell the difference. I'll leave to you to try figure out where the pictures differ.

People need to start paying attention before this gets way out of hand. There is growing indications, lest you're too busy counting road workers to have noticed, that the southern half of THIS REPUBLIC is not happy. While there is an immense amount of reading that needs to take place in order to cover the two sides of the debate about the right to secession, the fact of the matter is...it does exist and was defended by the founding fathers WHEN THE PEOPLE OF A STATE FEEL OPPRESSED BY THEIR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

Another thing to check on is the distribution of industry and other resources required to maintain the continuity of the common wealth of THIS REPUBLIC. In the first Civil War the South was beaten for a number of reasons but the primary one was materiels. The industrial machine was in the northeast. The south was screwed and out produced from the start.

The same won't be true the second time around. Just check the demographics of industry, ports and natural resources.

Detroit can lob garbage bombs at us. Good luck getting all those rusty ol' steel mills going again.

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OK, I'm going to ignore the secession talk and chalk that up to knee-jerk bravado.

Let's approach this from a different angle...

I take it you're employed, as a raise in income tax wouldn't affect you so emotionally were you unemployed.

Let's say you're on your way to work one day when some idiot runs a red light and creams your car. This idiot is required by state law to have car insurance, but he/she uses some fly-by-night minimum coverage company.

You make a claim with your insurance company, a world-renowned brand that has higher rates, but outstanding relationships with repair shops/hospitals/etc.

Your company covers a rental car for you, pays for the repair or replacement to your vehicle, and when it comes time to settle with the idiot's insurance company, yours can also compensate you for lost wages as well as a total refund of your deductible.

Pretty sweet deal for a monthly or bi-annual fee. Now, imagine if the state DIDN'T require auto insurance.

Even if you WERE covered, you'd never have another party to sue for your deductible back, or lost wages, or heaven forbid medical expenses. Plus, if your company were to repair or replace your car in this situation, your premium would skyrocket, as would everyone else's.

Would it make everyone feel better if they changed the term to "Romneycare"? It was, afterall, his idea to begin with...

Originally posted by Valhall

People need to start paying attention before this gets way out of hand. There is growing indications, lest you're too busy counting road workers to have noticed, that the southern half of THIS REPUBLIC is not happy. While there is an immense amount of reading that needs to take place in order to cover the two sides of the debate about the right to secession, the fact of the matter is...it does exist and was defended by the founding fathers WHEN THE PEOPLE OF A STATE FEEL OPPRESSED BY THEIR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

Another thing to check on is the distribution of industry and other resources required to maintain the continuity of the common wealth of THIS REPUBLIC. In the first Civil War the South was beaten for a number of reasons but the primary one was materiels. The industrial machine was in the northeast. The south was screwed and out produced from the start.

The same won't be true the second time around. Just check the demographics of industry, ports and natural resources.

Detroit can lob garbage bombs at us. Good luck getting all those rusty ol' steel mills going again.

I live in the southern half of this republic and I totally disagree with everything you've said in this thread. It would be nice if you'd just claim your own opinions and quit attempting to put the rest of us in your box.

While I agree that the Affordable Care Act is not perfect, I do believe that it's a step in the right direction and I assure you, there are plenty of southerners who welcome most of the provisions. Given time, I'm sure that we can iron out the imperfections and derive at something much closer to universal coverage for everyone.

Furthermore, I wouldn't be too quick to advocate for a new "civil war" anytime soon if I were you, especially seeing how you seem to have an knack for underestimating your enemy. If it ever came to pass, which I doubt it will, you'd soon find that there are many here in the southern half of this republic who would fight against you and some of us may even own more guns than you.

On the other hand, according to Alex Jones, you can at least be assured that once it's all said and done, you'll be afforded the luxury to live out a peaceful life amongst like minded people in one of our new massive FEMA camps and on top of that, your healthcare will be absolutely free.

reply to post by DaTroof


Accept that you not having health insurance has nothing to do with me. Having liability car insurance is to protect the person you wrong. You not having health insurance is not an act wronging me.

I take it you don't have a job? Is that why you take it I do have a job?

reply to post by Flatfish


I'm not speaking for the whole populace of any state or region. I'm making a statement based on the number of southern states that are opting out and have been voicing, for some time, unhappiness at the decisions of the federal government (by the way, pre-dating Obama).

Do the math...there seems to be a GROWING (as I stated before) unhappiness in the southern states.

reply to post by TXRabbit


No it wouldn't. A horse is a horse. This is not a partisan issue for me. I hold both parties in total disgust. And both candidates by the way.

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In related news, Valhall offers his services to the Romney for President campaign by posting partisan political threads in conspiracy forums

Originally posted by Valhall
reply to post by TXRabbit

 

No it wouldn't. A horse is a horse. This is not a partisan issue for me. I hold both parties in total disgust. And both candidates by the way.

Amazing how this bi-partisan contempt always seem to work in favor for the GOP when posting threads by way of supporting their policies 100%.

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Meanwhile stanats tries to divert the issue of an increasing and pending major problem by attempting to turn a nonpartisan discussion thread into something it's not.

Oh...unless you're saying that to stand firmly in defense of states' sovereign rights is partisan. Then I'm of that party...whatever it may be called.

Originally posted by Valhall
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Meanwhile stanats tries to divert the issue of an increasing and pending major problem by attempting to turn a nonpartisan discussion thread into something it's not.

Oh...unless you're saying that to stand firmly in defense of states' sovereign rights is partisan. Then I'm of that party...whatever it may be called.

The supposed existence of your 'increasing and pending major problem' is based only on your opinion.

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Do your research. I beat the crap out of Bush for 4 years. My posts will stand as the record. You're not going to win at trying to make this thread into something it's not. This is about an attempt of a state representative to pass a bill that declares the usurpation of this state's sovereign powers nullified. That's a big deal. I'm in full support.

You don't like it then that's okay, but you sure want to make this into something you can twist, don't you?

I think Romney is a two-timing, double-talking liar. I think Obama is too. I find the whole mass of them in contempt.

reply to post by Valhall


I am not going to waste my time researching any of your opinions, we all know what opinions are like. I am merely commenting on the wacky coincidence of your states rights opinion and how they line up perfectly with GOP politics, while you claim you are above politics.

Originally posted by DaTroof
reply to post by Valhall

 

OK, I'm going to ignore the secession talk and chalk that up to knee-jerk bravado.

Let's approach this from a different angle...

I take it you're employed, as a raise in income tax wouldn't affect you so emotionally were you unemployed.

Let's say you're on your way to work one day when some idiot runs a red light and creams your car. This idiot is required by state law to have car insurance, but he/she uses some fly-by-night minimum coverage company.

You make a claim with your insurance company, a world-renowned brand that has higher rates, but outstanding relationships with repair shops/hospitals/etc.

Your company covers a rental car for you, pays for the repair or replacement to your vehicle, and when it comes time to settle with the idiot's insurance company, yours can also compensate you for lost wages as well as a total refund of your deductible.

Pretty sweet deal for a monthly or bi-annual fee. Now, imagine if the state DIDN'T require auto insurance.

Even if you WERE covered, you'd never have another party to sue for your deductible back, or lost wages, or heaven forbid medical expenses. Plus, if your company were to repair or replace your car in this situation, your premium would skyrocket, as would everyone else's.

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA.. Oh wait.. HAHAHHAHAHAHA.. Your under the FOOLS impression I mean False impression that everyone driving has insurance. Your talking to someone that lives in a state with TONS of illegal uninsured motorists and your forgetting one HUGE detail here. It is a Privileged to drive a vehicle and for that privilege you are required to have auto insurance. But you do not have to drive and therefore no one can make me have insurance. And even then, I can chose the level of insurance I want. No one is forcing to me to have anything. If I want to ride a bike or take the bus I dont have to have insurance.

But by your own example here what we will have with obamacare is not auto insurance. Juts a mandate that says that whether you drive or not you are required to have auto insurance or pay a fine (tax) for not having it. How is it you cant see the difference? No one is giving you health care and unlike auto insurance where you are required to have it ONLY as a liability insurance so you can cover the expense of SOMEONE ELSES repairs or bills if you have an accident. This insurance in no way helps those around you. It is only a requirement that you cover your own personal expenses. PERSONAL. Do you understand what that word means to AMERICANS.

And you are wrong about what we pay for with our taxes. We in Oklahoma can opt out of at least one of those services you mentioned. And the ohters are state run agencies. I dont remember seeing anything about our hospitals and insurance companies being state run. Do you?