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Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by Son of Will
Originally posted by Kali74
This movie is a view of the beginning phases of the movement through the eyes of film maker, I think it is a fairly well done representation of who we are and why we are.
My challenge is for those of you who enjoy slamming the movement, don't understand the movement, or think we have nothing legitimate to say... watch it... all of it(1:15:35) and post anything from the movie you would like to discuss or debate. Please do not drive-by post, if you're not going to watch, please don't clutter the thread.
You are of course entitled to your opinion and to post as you please but I specifically challenged people to watch the whole movie or to please not comment.
Originally posted by stanguilles7
...currently enjoying this hour plus film...
I've attended both Tea Party rallies and Occupy rallies.What 'they' want from the public is to not see the parallels of discontent with a broken, corrupted system. 'They" want us to think it's broken down on partisan lines. "They' want 'occupy' to be seen as the dirty socialist hippies and the tea party as angry racists. Anyone who says either of these things is the enemy.
Originally posted by Son of Will
If you can't even summarize what the video is about, then making such a request is not reasonable. For a 75 minute video, a summary should be expected, no? I believe it's in the T&C to not just open a thread regarding a YT video with no explanation of what's in the video. Lots of people are unable to use sound, or to play videos, or simply don't have time to watch the whole thing.edit on 8-7-2012 by Son of Will because: (no reason given)
I stopped watching when Cornel West showed up on screen a second time about half way through. NO point in watching any further. I know what he is all about.
I noted Police Brutality
and Healthcare reform (pushing for single payer)
Of course the classic Corporate Greed was tossed in for good measure.
It was also nice to see a rep from the Revolutionary Communist Party speak up in support of the movement.
But, what has happened since?? The message was lost as the goal posts remain in constant motion. Why?? Because Occupy does not want results. Results mean that they have to go home and look for another cause or go back to school, back to mom and dads house or better yet back to work.
How about a "film" about the apparent symbiotic relationship between Occupy, the Black Bloc, The Ruckus groups, Big Labor and professional muscle etc etc.? How about discussing the General Assemblies that vary from city to city all seeking approval from or getting disapproval from a General Assembly in NYC? (leaderless movement?)
Originally posted by stanguilles7
'They" want us to think it's broken down on partisan lines. "They' want 'occupy' to be seen as the dirty socialist hippies and the tea party as angry racists. Anyone who says either of these things is the enemy.
Most of the recent attention on Barack Obama's radical associate and friend Bill Ayers has focused on Ayers' history with the terrorist Weather Underground (WU) group in the 1970s. But starting in the mid-1960s, Ayers was an influential leader of the revolutionary Marxist Students for a Democratic Society (SDS), from which the WU evolved.
"It is clear that SDS must begin to consciously transform itself from a student movement into a working class youth movement ... by emphasizing the commonality of the oppression and struggles of youth, and by making these struggles class conscious." But to it were added two crucial extensions, alliances with the black liberationists-"To recognize the vanguard character of the black liberation struggle means to recognize its importance to the 'white' movement"-and with the Third World-"All our actions must flow from our identity as part of an international struggle against U.S. imperialism." And to make any of this serious, to transform SDS into something that really could lead a revolutionary movement, what was necessary was a commitment to discipline. [SDS page 353]
Originally posted by DavidWillts
Occupy is still around? I thought they gave up once they saw how ineffective they were.
I shall begin by making some basic distinctions between Marxist thought as a monocausal, unilinear philosophy of history that accurately predicts historical outcomes; Marxism it is exemplified in diverse "actually existing" Communist regimes in the Soviet Union, China, Cuba, Poland and so forth; and Marxist theory as a methodological orientation toward the understanding of social and historical realities. Needless to say, I readily reject Marxist thought as a monocausal, unilinear, predictive science of history or a homogeneous, teleological narrative of past and present events. Such infantile Marxism has been subjected to persuasive criticism by Karl Popper, John Plamenatz, John Dewey and Raymond Aron from outside the Marxist tradition, and by members of the Frankfurt School (Adorno, Horkheimer, Marcuse), Raymond Williams and Antonio Gramci from within. I also reject, although not without sympathy for, the undemocratic regimes that regiment and dominate their peoples in the name of Marxism. As a democratic and libertarian socialist, I find these regimes morally repugnant, yet I wish to stress that detailed historical analysis of why they evolved as they have is required if we are to grasp their tragic predicament. Such analysis does not excuse the atrocities committed, yet it does give us a realistic sense of what these regimes have been up against.
Despite rejecting Marxist thought as a philosophy of history and Marxism as it has appeared in diverse "actually existing" Communist regimes, I hold that Marxist theory as a methodological orientation remains indispensable - although ultimately inadequate - in grasping distinctive features of African American oppression. As a methodological orientation, Marxist theory requires that we begin from two starting points....
-Cornel West, "Race and Social Theory" in the Cornel West Reader, p. 256