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posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 02:15 AM
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Wasn't quite sure which forum to post this in because it touches on many areas. I came across this episode of Coast to Coast Radio today from June 24th relating to Odd Missing persons mysteries. The 2 that caught my attention, not only pulled on the heart strings being a parent but clearly brought up a much larger conspiracy than just the missing person involved.

In the two cases Green Berets were called in and setup their own "HQ" in the National Park once the missing person was reported and went on search themselves through the forest, not talking or discussing to anyone about what it is they were searching for or why they were there in the first place.

Video link - June 24th - More Odd Dissapearances


The two incidences occured in 1969 and 1971, theres a high probability both instances of Green Berets turning up might have been the same group.

@53min 10sec mark - in the Smokey Mountains National Park, the sad story of the disappearance of a young boy (6 year old Dennis Martin) not very far from his father who was keeping an eye on him, never to be seen again. The FBI came in, seemed to brush off any eye witness evidence that was brought up, the arrival of the Green Berets, a figure seen darting behind trees carrying something over its shoulder never used as evidence.....this segment goes for about 15 minutes and gave me the goosebumps.

@1Hr 25min 30 mins - the story of Douglas Legg, from New York at Newcomb Lake. Douglas was with his uncle about to go for a hike, his house was within eyesight and his uncle told him he was dressed inappropriately and to run back to the lodge and get dressed better. His uncle was watching him, as he walked off, there was a small ridge where he briefly dissapeared from view on the way to the lodge. Long Story short, he was never seen again. This lodge is a family property thats restricted.

In this case they brought in tracking dogs that followed a scent that went for miles before disappearing. They went that far that it was impossible for an 8 year old boy that could have gone that far up and down the mountains and were confident the dogs had his scent.

By the time the search teams were called in, the Green Berets came again, once again, setup camp, didnt talk to anyone, and went about searching the country side.

Green Berets - I admit to not knowing enough about these guys, hopefully someone else can contribute here, but one caller rings up and says that Green berets only get called up in matters of "national security."

What took the kids and what were they searching for?

This sounds like someone in the military knows about something going on in the area and has sent the berets to try and capture it.

Kind of like a Predator Movie scenario or similar in my opinion.

I doubt the berets would be sent out for a Bigfoot sighting, how many times has bigfoot been sighted and never has the military been despatched.

Something was going on behind the scenes that they couldnt say, even if it meant the cost of these children lives.

I ask you to listen for bout 15 minutes to each section of the interview I have noted above.

Would appreciate peoples thoughts....the whole scenario creeps me out.




posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 02:21 AM
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Predator, obviously.



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 02:51 AM
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I would want the Green Berets looking for me if I was lost. Seems that it would make sense to send them in to do deep forest search and rescue. Trained to find people hiding from them in many environments.
Another angle is you never know who knows who or what strings get pulled when someone goes missing.



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 03:11 AM
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I was listening to that show too. I was thinking the Green Berets were called in to track down bigfoot. The guy that wrote Missing 411 is into bigfoot research however he doesn't want to connect bigfoot to the missing people from forest preserves. I think his publisher told him not to, I don't know.

I'm thinking bigfoot related abductions though.



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 06:35 AM
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The green berets are special forces that specialise in guerilla warfare
Small teams in deep strike ops taking it to the enemy
In my opinion the best the US has, not so much in the CT role ( sorry guys but room entry isn't really your thing )

They were among the first in afghan
Dropped in days after 9/11 and tore the place up on horseback for months destroying multiple AQ assets long before the official ground offensive

As someone's already posted
If I went missing, it's who I'd want looking for me

So interesting why they would be called in



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 08:24 AM
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That was really interesting mate, good post. I listened to the whole thing.......at first when Paulides was talking about people vanishing in to thin air, I'm thinking "sounds like some dimensional shift or alien abduction". Then with the small amount of evidence (bones, pants etc) and the sighting on the ridge of the large hairy beast with someone slung over It's shoulder, I'm thinking "Bigfoot".

But he mentions talking to the Native American people and how they believe It's the Skin Walker. One of the most interesting parts was talking about the young girl who was held captive by the hairy dog face man. He also mentions cases that have happened in Australia that were basically identical.......hmmm, the Bunyip!

One (of many) descriptions of the Bunyip:

said to lurk in swamps, billabongs, creeks, riverbeds, and waterholes.

However, common features in many 19th-century newspaper accounts include a dog-like face, dark fur, a horse-like tail, flippers, and walrus-like tusks or horns or a duck-like bill.
Wikipedia

Even the Native American descriptions for the Skin Walker could potentially put it in the Werewolf or some other animal (Bison, Deer) category:

a skin-walker is a person with the supernatural ability to turn into any animal he or she desires, though they first must be wearing a pelt of the animal, to be able to transform.

Some Navajos describe them as a mutated version of the animal in question.

Sometimes a skinwalker will be tracked down, only to lead to the house of someone known to the tracker.
Wikipedia

Considering that the Bunyip is also described as having other features, such as tusks, horns etc, would it be too much of a stretch to think maybe this or another creature is a shape shifter:

As well as bunyip stories, Brungle Aboriginal women relate the story of the 'Mirriyolla Dog' a spirit dog that could shapeshift.
Wikipedia

I mean, the whole lot of these cases sounded completely strange, and I tend to go with the Bigfoot/Skin Walker theory even if there is no hard evidence, and to send the Green Berets in must have meant the military or government knew that SOMETHING was going on (1969-1971) at least. They were definitely looking for something. Really good listening that was, and still leaves me clueless, thinking: Bigfoot, Shaman (Skin Walker), Alien abductions and Dimensional Shifts! This one had it all in my opinion.



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 01:53 PM
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It's probably because they get a real life practice experience...

Good training!



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 01:57 PM
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I remember that show as well. I think the Host,who is going to be on ATS Live tonight,asked for FOIA request,and wasn't given an answer. I know the guest definitely wasn't given an answer. Great question to ask George Knapp tonight on ATS LIVE !!!!

(SHAMELESS PLUG)




posted on Oct, 8 2012 @ 02:39 PM
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My 3 yr old grandson went missing in one of the "cluster areas" Hundreds of volunteers, county, state, and federal and forestry teams combed the hillside and found him alive after 5 hours. It is the scaryist thing that has ever happened to us. My heart goes out to everyone who has lost a loved one this way. Our story could have turned out much differently, if not for the immediate response.
I realize now that he fit the profile for the missing boys, (this was in a boy cluster area) and that could be why so many people showed up so fast.
Also, I am wondering if the national parks that have been closed due to "lack of funding", are near these cluster sites.



posted on Oct, 8 2012 @ 02:40 PM
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My 3 yr old grandson went missing in one of the "cluster areas" Hundreds of volunteers, county, state, and federal and forestry teams combed the hillside and found him alive after 5 hours. It is the scaryist thing that has ever happened to us. My heart goes out to everyone who has lost a loved one this way. Our story could have turned out much differently, if not for the immediate response.
I realize now that he fit the profile for the missing boys, (this was in a boy cluster area) and that could be why so many people showed up so fast.
Also, I am wondering if the national parks that have been closed due to "lack of funding", are near these cluster sites.



posted on Oct, 8 2012 @ 02:45 PM
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glad your story turned out to be a happier one, excuse my ignorance, but how recent are these "cluster" sites, is it ongoing or is that a generic term?



posted on Oct, 8 2012 @ 02:47 PM
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I am not informed of the term "cluster area". Would you please explain to me what it is?

This is a serious question not mocking. I tried Google and ended up with a mix of different stuff nothing really stood out.

Thanks

Raist



posted on Oct, 8 2012 @ 04:04 PM
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In the case of the Dennis Martin disappearance in 1969, here are the facts.

There were over 400 people involved in the search. These included volunteers, park rangers, search and rescue groups, a Marine Reserve unit, an Army Green Beret unit and an Army helicopter.

The Green Beret unit consisted of 40 men from the 6th Special Forces Group in Fort Bragg, North Carolina. They were called in by the park rangers a few days into the search, due to the harsh terrain the the search area. The child went missing at the 4,800-foot level on the side of a mountain.

After 2 weeks of searching, nothing was found and the search efforts were called off.



posted on Oct, 8 2012 @ 04:11 PM
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I listened to the Author of Missing 411 on Coast to Coast, he said there are "clusters" of park sites or area's that have an unusually high number of people disappearing under strange circumstances. Two of the area's have many more young boys disappearing than the other areas. I think he identified 33 "cluster" areas.
I will be investing in a transponder or tracking device to clip on my grandsons belt loop for future camping and hunting trips!!!
Another creepy thing the Author David Paulitis(sp?) points out, is the number of disembodied feet that have washed ashore along Canadian and Washington coasts. Wiki said 69 disembodied feet since the 50's.
There have been 12 in the last 10 yrs or so.



posted on Oct, 8 2012 @ 04:14 PM
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I cant remember for sure, but in some areas I think he said 70 years or more. Which would probably be over the life-span of a serial killer.
Yosemite is one of the cluster areas.
People get lost, kids walk away from camp etc, his focus isnt on the explainable cases. He doesnt include any case that could have been wild animal attack. Just the mysterious, like their clothes left in neat piles.
I recommend you listen to the coast to coast broadcast, it was very informative.
People really need to know about these disappearances.
edit on 8-10-2012 by misskat1 because: Forgot to say something



posted on Oct, 8 2012 @ 04:52 PM
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A lot of National Parks have been used by drug cartels for growing pot. My guess is that if there are that many missing children in National Parks, then they are being used for human trafficking, as those cartel groups are involved in all kinds of stuff.

edit on 8-10-2012 by LeSigh because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 9 2012 @ 09:09 AM
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Interesting connection, I didnt think of that, you could be right.



posted on Oct, 9 2012 @ 09:13 AM
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Maybe they thought a "weapon" was responsible for the disappearances? (ie, something genetically modified, or whatever).

Or it could be something as simple as that they train in these areas so just assumed command once someone disappeared?

Basically, there could be a whole lot of reasons for this. It is not necessarily anything dodgy but it is highly interesting. Good spot. S & F.



posted on Oct, 15 2012 @ 05:53 AM
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I had to digg this thread up! How is it that this gets so little attention?



posted on Oct, 15 2012 @ 08:50 AM
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I would guess that it mostly had to do with the sort of terrain in the area. Getting around in wilderness terrain with drops and rises is not easy and it's something Rangers do. I notice that at least in the 2nd story mentioned in the OP, there is a ridge involved. Great Smokey Mountains in the Carolinas and upstate New York...sounds right in their area of expertise.

Also, there is a similarity to one common enough sort of mission they'd do, which is finding a pilot who had been shot down, forced to bail out, and landed in the middle of nowhere. It happened a lot in Viet Nam, eh? They'd be racing the enemy to recover somebody.

So it was probably just that they were available. It would be a good training exercise, and missing kids were involved, so it would be more than just a training exercise to those involved.

As for not really taking the time to talk much with others involved...they were probably just focused on finding the kids, knowing that time could be critical if they were injured, and so they probably weren't in the mood to shoot the bull with the locals and all the other people involved in the search. And again, the war zone version of this sort of mission is a race against the enemy as well. They wouldn't have a casual version for missing kids they probably weren't going to find; they'd do things the way they always did them.


Originally posted by LeSigh
A lot of National Parks have been used by drug cartels for growing pot. My guess is that if there are that many missing children in National Parks, then they are being used for human trafficking, as those cartel groups are involved in all kinds of stuff.


These cases are from 1969 and 1971. That makes it very early for that sort of operation, but it could be possible. At that time though it would be more likely to be hillbilly locals than cartels. However, I doubt it; the last thing an illegal grow operation wants to do is trigger a massive search of the wilderness in their area.

Human trafficking is sad and sick, but enough is known about it that you could read up on what a more typical set up would be. I mean think about it, does waiting to grab kids who wander off into the remote woods of National Parks sound like a reliable business model? Or would you lure kids/teenagers from poor villages using false promises of a job or educational opportunity etc to someplace you could nab them?

National Parks are vast areas of unspoilt wilderness, complete with dangerous terrain. Kids can get lost in their back yard; no special conspiracy is required for them to wander off into a vast wilderness, get lost, and never be found, especially if they do the wrong thing and keep moving instead of staying put once they realize they are lost.






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