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My Taxes Pay YOUR Wages *rant-lite*

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posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 08:54 PM
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Okay, before I get into this I'm gonna say something right off the bat. I have more active duty and veteran US Military members in my family than most folks have ever met. Okay ? Let's be clear on that. I grew up in a Military town and almost all of my sisters married Military (Marines/Navy) So......not only do we serve, we marry those who serve. We're one big band of patriots my family.

So, I'm a little puzzled at the responses coming from folks posing as military or other government employees about the SCOTUS ruling on the Affordable Care Act aka "ObamaCare" aka "ObamneyCare" aka "Socialism" aka "DeathofAmerica"aka "I'mMoving......somewhere" (By the way, if you're looking for a place that has no big government that will allow you to run around with your guns and stuff, I hear Africa is nice. )

Anyway, back to the thread, I don't understand this sentiment coming from government employees who are ranting and raving "I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO PAY FOR SOMEONE ELSES HEATH CARE. I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO PAY TAXES" I mean , wow. Really ? Do you know who pays your wages ? I do. Do you know who pays your health care expenses ? I do. Do you know who bought your house ? I did. Do you know who bought your car ? I did ? I pay for your kids soccer uniform and your daughters volleyball lessons. I pay for everything you consume.

I pay for it all. I pay for all of your expenses with the rest of the civilians in this country through TAXES. And I don't complain about it. Why ? It's the cost of security. You are Americas Security and we pay for it. So, I don't complain when you whip out that government ID and those "orders" and tell me "I'm Tax Exempt" . I don't mind that the Exchange is TAX-FREE. I don't mind you asking for a "Gummint Discount". It's the cost of security. I pay for your health care. I pay for everything you own. The tissue you wipe your butt with comes from me. Even when you leave the government, I give you loans and I pay your pensions. FOR LIFE !

And YOU don't want to pay for someone eles what ? Health Care? Really ? I mean, I can understand why some civilians are upset, but you ? You? Oh government employee?

REALLY ?

STAND DOWN !



edit on 28-6-2012 by skepticconwatcher because: grammar

edit on 28-6-2012 by skepticconwatcher because: Corrected "I's the cost..." to "It's the cost...."




posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 09:03 PM
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ummm, I work in transportation.

This is like me saying Fritos pays for my health insurance, Coca-cola pays for my house, Trojan pay for my car.

Everyone gets paid to work.

Its upsetting what I'm told to buy.



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 09:11 PM
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Dear skepticconwatcher,

F&S. The whole conversation in the media and by people is so confused and wrong. I think the fact that people call it Obamacare is silly. The truth is, this idea has been around for awhile, the Clintons tried to pass it when Bill was first elected. As for being socialist, people confuse that with providing services to the poor, services that are provided to the middle and upper class are called "public safety" rather than socialist. We have public schools and private schools; but, nobody calls public schools socialism. We have public and private hospitals, this is merely an extension of that.

I may not be a fan of Obama and I am not a fan of Bush; but, if we are going to discuss the new health care laws then we should discuss the laws and their purpose. It is the same that the Clintons explained. In the next two decades we are going to see an ever increasing need in care for the elderly as millions of baby boomers retire and age. We cannot afford to pay for their care and neither can they. The current system cannot handle the quantities. So who would get healthcare, not the poor or middle class. Is this the perfect solution, not in my opinion; however, the current healthcare system needs to be replaced or a lot of old people, your relatives and my relatives, will die from no care.



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 09:12 PM
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No it's not.

You have no idea.



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 09:14 PM
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Thank you.

I just find the whole thing rather hypocritical when it's coming from people who claim to be government employees not wanting to share the cost as though everything they own came from them and them alone.

No, we all paid for that.



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 09:17 PM
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I really don't think you earn anywhere near enough to pay for all that at all; I'm sure there are plenty of people whose houses has now foreclosed and many now unemployed probably paid alot more taxes than you did!
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posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 09:20 PM
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posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 09:26 PM
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Thank you for the wages, cars, houses, and volleyball uniforms
Ill send you the receipts.
Do you also realize that you are paying for food stamps and welfare to those that probably don't need it. You also paid for millions of illegal immigrants to run the roost.
I'm a government employee and have no problem with it. Hell, my tax dollars have been going to b******t military expenses for years, at least theyll be going to do some good, remember, I fit the bill for the $5 billion it cost to outfit the military's uniform change in 2003 so everyone could look "as cool as the marines"
Youre welcome!
Sir...please stand down

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posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 09:30 PM
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I guess you're not talking to me.

I don't know who the "Sir" is.

As for all the other irrelevant mumbo jumbo, FAIL



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 09:31 PM
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Originally posted by skepticconwatcher
reply to post by AQuestion
 


Thank you.

I just find the whole thing rather hypocritical when it's coming from people who claim to be government employees not wanting to share the cost as though everything they own came from them and them alone.

No, we all paid for that.



Dear skepticconwatcher,

I am a government employee and have no problem with paying my taxes. Most people don't even know which taxes pay for what. I have talked to idiots who think their Income Tax pays for local police and fire. If you buy gas, you pay a gas tax. You choose to buy gas to drive your car, if you choose to do so, there must be roads and the gas tax pays for their repair. If you work then you choose to take advantage of the infrastructure that allows people to conduct effective commerce, that requires someone to pay for that infrastructure. If we want to have any influence in the world then we need a strong military, that requires federal taxes.

We will all have things that we do not think that the government should pay for. I am a Christian and don't want to pay for abortions; but, the issue is not being taxed. My issue is with abortion and I lost on that one in 1973. In a democracy people vote for taxes to provide specific services. People seem to have forgotten that.



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 09:41 PM
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You are correct. There's a ton of things I don't like paying for. You named one , as I too am Christian. There are a ton of other things though that I'm sure you would agree with me on are a waste, but, it's the cost of living here. It's amazing how these same folks will say "Freedom Aint Free" when we're off to fight war, but on this other stuff.......




posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 09:44 PM
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rotflmao

typical military arrogance , its only a FAIL because you do not agree with it even though you know I'm right. Do some thinking for yourself for once instead of letting someone in a campaign hat do it, or doing it because my granddaddys granddaddys granddaddy did it. Please stop trying to bash others with uneducated and unresearched facts.
FAIL



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 09:50 PM
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Why should you pay for other peoples existence?

Paying taxes is one thing but paying for schools,healthcare,homes,subsidies to corporations,agriculture,other countries, not good enough they keep adding more, and then to top all that off the cost of those things keeps going up,and up,and up.

When is enough?

Wouldn't people have a few well funded programs that serve what the are designed to do, or would people have everything handed to them, and become half assed programs that serve no one but has a monkey on their back that is never lifted?

Taxes are suppose to fund the function of the government that is why it was given the power of taxation, but now the only thing tax revenue does has created a society where more people are consuming the wealth of others instead of creating their own.

Where they have money they pay taxes, and the size of government, and their "beveolent programs" are not needed, but nope.

Twisted since of morality to keep people enslaved to a government check, and far too many are all too willing to do so.

This nation has a 15 trillion dollar deficit current CBO projection put that debt at over 21 trillion within the next 4 no mater who is potus, and they are continually adding more.

This nation is screwed bigtime because too many people simply can not comprehend that you can spend what you do not have, and you can not continue to put their entire lives on a credit card.

Meh

This nation by the numbers.

www.usdebtclock.org...

Click on the red back arrow to see this nation in 2008 and then look at the federal spending and SS and Medicare and Medicaid that is one hell of an increase.



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 09:53 PM
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I must have been doing something wrong. I spent 20 years in the army and I paid taxes every year that I was in the states. The civilians I met overseas didn't pay taxes on their income either.

I get your point that soldiers are paid with tax money, I don't understand why you think we don't pay taxes ourselves.

On a side note, soldiers hate when civilians brag about how many family members they have in service. If you drive a Pinto don't brag about your uncle's Lincoln type thing.
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posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 09:56 PM
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Dear skepticconwatcher,



There are a ton of other things though that I'm sure you would agree with me on are a waste, but, it's the cost of living here.


Every system must have some waste in order to survive lean times. Long term survival means paying for research and development which means most of that money is wasted. More misses than hits in R&D. I believe there are specific federal departments that can be eliminated with no ill effect. The Department of Education could go away tomorrow and schools would continue as they are primarily state or county funded. Rather than eliminate waste in the Department of Education, I would eliminate the whole department. Yet, because I believe in democracy more than capitalism or any other ism, I will not call the Department of Education evil or socialist, it democratically created and I cannot refute it's right to be.



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 10:02 PM
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When it comes to government employees doesn't matter which they all get paid by taxpayer funds, so when they pay back "taxes" the government is paying itself back.,

Money laundering because that money is used to pay for those programs for those who pay nothing who have zero tax liability.

So the military is different, and most government employees, but then today which puts this article in to perspective:

IF everyone is suppose to have "affordable healthcare" then why did the current administration try to do this:


President Obama has already gutted the Army in favor of out of control entitlement programs and now, he's going after military medical benefits in order to get more people on his ObamaCare rolls. In Obama's latest budget, military families will be forced to pay substantially more for medical care through the military while civilian defense union workers will continue receiving the same benefits.


townhall.com...



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 10:07 PM
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All Taxpayers work for the Government!
Have you been ignoring those signs that point out?
Your Tax Dollars at Work.



Ps
Unless your GE,
then you work for the Government,
and pay little or no taxes.



posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 11:27 PM
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Seriously people; how much tax do you individually pay each year? My bet is, if you find yourself on the unemployment heap after many years of work needing assistance.....you'll run and hide?



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 12:18 AM
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Originally posted by skepticconwatcher
Okay, before I get into this I'm gonna say something right off the bat. I have more active duty and veteran US Military members in my family than most folks have ever met. Okay ? Let's be clear on that. I grew up in a Military town and almost all of my sisters married Military (Marines/Navy) So......not only do we serve, we marry those who serve. We're one big band of patriots my family.


So, you have family member that were prior service, and sisters married to people in the military, yet you have never been in yourself?

Ok, that means you know squat about the military. You don't get military experience thru freakin' osmosis.

So check your "not only do WE serve" at the door. They serve. You don't.


Originally posted by skepticconwatcher
So, I'm a little puzzled at the responses coming from folks posing as military or other government employees about the SCOTUS ruling on the Affordable Care Act aka "ObamaCare" aka "ObamneyCare" aka "Socialism" aka "DeathofAmerica"aka "I'mMoving......somewhere" (By the way, if you're looking for a place that has no big government that will allow you to run around with your guns and stuff, I hear Africa is nice. )


I wouldn't move. I'd hate to have to live next door to some liberal that "moved" when Bush was reelected.


Originally posted by skepticconwatcher
Anyway, back to the thread, I don't understand this sentiment coming from government employees who are ranting and raving "I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO PAY FOR SOMEONE ELSES HEATH CARE. I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO PAY TAXES" I mean , wow. Really ? Do you know who pays your wages ? I do. Do you know who pays your health care expenses ? I do. Do you know who bought your house ? I did. Do you know who bought your car ? I did ? I pay for your kids soccer uniform and your daughters volleyball lessons. I pay for everything you consume.


OK, I can only comment on the military; I have no clue about other government employees.

As a member of the Active Duty, you do know I pay federal taxes on my wages? That means, in a way, I pay my own salary.

How's that grab you, Ace? Did that sink in, or are you too busy with that BS rant, "I pay your wages!"?


Originally posted by skepticconwatcher
I pay for it all. I pay for all of your expenses with the rest of the civilians in this country through TAXES. And I don't complain about it. Why ? It's the cost of security. You are Americas Security and we pay for it. So, I don't complain when you whip out that government ID and those "orders" and tell me "I'm Tax Exempt" . I don't mind that the Exchange is TAX-FREE. I don't mind you asking for a "Gummint Discount". It's the cost of security. I pay for your health care. I pay for everything you own. The tissue you wipe your butt with comes from me. Even when you leave the government, I give you loans and I pay your pensions. FOR LIFE !


Ever been shot at? I already know the answer to that question: No. You never seen AAA fired at your aircraft, never been mortared or rocketed on your way to take a dump, never gotten the runs from crappy food, never lived in a tent or hole in the ground, never been away from your family for months on end and hope that you'll come back alive or at least with the majority of your arms and legs.

My pay, my "perks" and what measly discounts I do get, I earned.


Originally posted by skepticconwatcher
And YOU don't want to pay for someone eles what ? Health Care? Really ? I mean, I can understand why some civilians are upset, but you ? You? Oh government employee?


I dunno...probably because I work for my healthcare and a lot of deadbeats don't.


Originally posted by skepticconwatcher
REALLY ?

STAND DOWN !


REALLY?

How about getting back into your lane and winding your neck in?



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 12:49 AM
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The taxpayer pays for the wages and benefits of all Government workers. That is true but one thing is missing. The Government has been spending way more than it has coming in for over sixteen years now. They have been hiding their expenditures by multiple practices. The amount given to the poor is no where close to the money spent on pork barrel projects that are unnecessary. Most of this money goes to businesses one way or another. It's not all bad but stimulating the economy with wasteful practices just to make our Economy show growth isn't reality. We need to create regular jobs and start producing things again to put people to work.

People think that the people on assistance are getting lots of free easy money. Evidently they haven't been watching the tightening of the assistance programs over the last ten to fifteen years. Most families get some foodstamps and insurance for their kids. Most need to at least work at minimum wage jobs to be able to get any assistance without extreme hassle. There is strict regulations on most of this but the social workers are way overworked and can't check out every case because of the dwindling numbers of government workers who actually do anything. They cut all these jobs but left the upper management jobs untouched many times.

The majority of our countries money just gets wasted on things that really don't need to be done. Changing a road just to change the design, building colliders and then abandoning them because of cost. Lots of these projects are the problem. I'm sure the military budget is slim also but the money going to the corporations supplying military technology seems to be hidden from our sight. Missing money, where did it go? These expenditures could be written off in many deceptive ways. Is it happening? I have no real proof. I'm sure the people running this are good at covering their tracks. Homeland Security now has a blank checkbook.

The rich only take a small percentage of the profit but it adds up. The whole system of making an economy work is very wasteful. It is also hard on our environment.



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