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Originally posted by jeantherapy
You can't sit in gridlocked traffic without feeling like there are too many of us. I've made a solemn promise to the earth and its inhabitants to never reproduce, I wish others would put their money where their mouth is like I have
Though the term did not enter popular use in the U.S. until the California electricity crisis of the early 2000s, outages had indeed occurred previously. The outages were almost always triggered by unusually hot temperatures during the summer, which causes a surge in demand due to heavy use of air conditioning
Officials at California's Independent System Operator (ISO), which monitors the state's power grid, called a Stage Three alert at midday because of increased temperatures, a higher power demand and a lack of electricity from the Northwest.
When California's power supply dips, the California Independent System Operator (Cal-ISO), who manages the state's power grid, notifies the California utilities that there must be a load reduction on the statewide power system
"The supply condition we are dealing with, the shortage, still exists...so again we're asking for conservation," Detmers said. "It's very necessary, a very critical operation, and it's very, extremely serious."
Originally posted by FreeFromTheHerd
reply to post by loveguy
Using the laws of simple math, wouldn't it make sense for someone to off you and then off themselves?
2 is greater than 1.
Sure suggesting suicide to those concerned about overpopulation is a road you truly want to go down?
"KILL YOURSELF FIRST!!!!" is the uneducated, uninformed, brainless response only put forth by people who clearly have no clue as to the topic at hand.
Originally posted by loveguy
How many stands by their assertion that the world is over populated?
If that is so, then that thereby a showing of hands/posts who is willing to off themselves first to resolve the issue?
Who decides who has to be sent into a coal mine, who has to be sent into rare earth mines and who decides where the waste of all these processes go?
What about the fact that producing computers for everyone that doesn't have one would create insane amounts of waste, take toiling labor and deplete the resources that "everyone owns."
The current system has not even allowed for certain fossil fuels to be profitable.
If there is no money, people will want to hoard or be in control of resources to exert the same power they have now.
Cities can be built in inhibitable places but at what cost and what point? Why would you build a city in the middle of the Sahara? It would take more resources to sustain it than a city built in near a waterway with agricultural land, and other resources that are useful to the city.
For a whole resourced based economy, your line of thinking really doesn't focus on what makes it tick... resources.
I thought were a giant hippie commune now
What about countries or areas that want to reproduce at high levels,
Originally posted by Duckling
If we didn't live in huge cities this problem wouldn't even have surfaced.
I say screw cities, back to small communities!
Originally posted by unityemissions
We are currently overpopulated.
Why do I figure this? I observe.
We're in the 6th mass extinction event at this moment. Species are dying out at least 1,000X the background rate. We're over shooting in pretty much every way. Overfishing, deforestation, too much CO2 in the atmosphere, millions of tons of heavy metals thrown into the air by industry...
Yet, you are correct that the system could be upgraded and ran more lean and mean (efficient and with purpose/long range vision). Still, getting the abstract systems in place in one thing, but tackling the pollution, energy, food, water, and every other unsustainable problem is going to be....difficult at our current population.
So based on our history, where we are, and our current tragectory, we're overpopulated.
Could we balance out this century without complete collapse of civilization or at least major decline in standards of living? Yea, it might happen, but there's a ton of work to be done in the process.
For convenience sake, it makes sense to say we're currently overpopulated.edit on 20-6-2012 by unityemissions because: (no reason given)
Why are we sending people into coal mines, again? It's 2012, we need coal about as much as we need the electric telegraph. As for rare earth mines, they are open-pit mines which are highly, highly mechanized.
Coal provides 29.6% of global primary energy needs and generates 42% of the world's electricity
Total Global Coal Production (including hard coal and lignite)
Also, much focus in science is being placed on finding organic alternatives to rare-earth metals.
Where's your source? Oh, you're just guessing. I see.
Informal processing of electronic waste in developing countries may cause serious health and pollution problems, though these countries are also most likely to reuse and repair electronics. Some electronic scrap components, such as CRTs, may contain contaminants such as lead, cadmium, beryllium, or brominated flame retardants. Even in developed countries recycling and disposal of e-waste may involve significant risk to workers and communities and great care must be taken to avoid unsafe exposure in recycling operations and leaching of material such as heavy metals from landfills and incinerator ashes.
Oil is still one of the most profitable industries in the world, it shapes the way our society has developed. Look at post-industrial vs. pre-industrial urban density. It's also probably the sole reason that the monetary system has even survived as long as it has, because it provides high-energy at the cost of the constant need to buy more fuel.
If you can demonstrate otherwise, that people will want to hoard or be in control of resources, even in a completely different environment, I'd like to see you do so. In other words,
Murder and torture are as old as mankind. Ever since man first invented the club he probably used it to kill another caveman.
Why would you build a city in the middle of the Sahara? Maybe deserts are rich in resources like sunlight, silica, and minerals. Construction and manufacture in a desert could be done with nothing but sand and sunlight, an actuated vessel, and a large Fresnel lens. Wind turbines can produce a kiloliter of clean water in the desert per day
We already have enough food to feed the planet. The supposed problem is "logistics", which is just a bull# nonsense way to say, "food is too expensive for poor people".
Per capita waste by consumers is between 95 and115 kg a year in Europe and North America, while consumers in sub-Saharan Africa and South and Southeast Asia each throw away only 6 to11 kg a year.
What about them? Prove that people with a high standard of living and ready access to contraception will still retain a high birth rate. I can show that they do not. Believe it or not, most people actually don't want a million billion children, especially when they're educated.