Investigation of the 9/11 Commission

If there was any conspiracy involving 9/11 the smoking guns must trace back to the 9/11 Commission. This was the bi-partisan group responsible for writing a report on why 9/11 happened.

If there was a cover-up of anything, it would be up to the 9/11 Commission to execute the cover-up.

One interesting member of the 9/11 Commission is Jamie Gorelick. Gorelick was a U.S. Deputy Attorney General during the Clinton administration, and accused of strengthening the infamous "wall" between intelligence agencies and law enforcement.

This post is not to debate the "wall" issue.

What is curious is that Gorelick's "wall" became an issue during the 9/11 investigation, even being cited as a possible cause of the intelligence failures of 9/11, and yet Gorelick remained on the 9/11 Commission instead of stepping down.

In most legal situations, just an "appearance" of a conflict of interest is usually all that's required for an officer of the court to recuse themselves from a case.

So I did some research on Gorelick using the nndm.com website.

What is interesting is that Gorelick, a Democrat, was on the Board of Schlumberger, one of the world's largest oil drilling servicing companies. Everybody knows about Dick Cheney and Halliburton, but there were few mentions of Gorelick being on the board of Schlumberger. Schlumberger's stock went from under $25 a share in Aug. 2001 to over $107 a share in Sept. 2008, just before the housing crisis.

Gorelick is also on the board of United Technologies, an aerospace and building technology supplier, and was an executive of Fannie Mae, making $26 million between 1998 and 2003.

Gorelick was also on Obama's short-list to head the FBI.

Here is a chart showing some of Gorelick's connections.



So why was Gorelick chosen to be on the 9/11 Commission, and why didn't she step down when the investigation turned towards her?

You can do further research here.

It would be interesting to run the charts on all the 9/11 Commission members and see what ties they have. Just type in a person's name, use the mapper feature, do a screen capture of the image, and upload it to your ATS account to display here.

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GOOD JOB!

Here are the members and all of them are connected.

Thomas Kean (Chairman) - Republican, former Governor of New Jersey
Lee H. Hamilton (Vice Chairman) - Democrat, former U.S. Representative from the 9th District of Indiana
Richard Ben-Veniste - Democrat, attorney, former chief of the Watergate Task Force of the Watergate Special Prosecutor's Office
Max Cleland - Democrat, former U.S. Senator from Georgia. Resigned December 2003, stating that "the White House has played cover-up"[9]
Fred F. Fielding - Republican, attorney and former White House Counsel
Jamie Gorelick - Democrat, former Deputy Attorney General in the Clinton Administration
Slade Gorton - Republican, former U.S. Senator from Washington
Bob Kerrey - Democrat, President of the New School University and former U.S. Senator from Nebraska. Replaced Max Cleland as a Democratic Commissioner, after Cleland's resignation.
John F. Lehman - Republican, former Secretary of the Navy
Timothy J. Roemer - Democrat, former U.S. Representative from the 3rd District of Indiana
James R. Thompson - Republican, former Governor of Illinois


The members of the commission's staff included:
Philip D. Zelikow, Executive Director/Chair
Christopher Kojm, Deputy Executive Director
Daniel Marcus, General Counsel
John J. Farmer, Senior Counsel
Janice Kephart, Counsel
Alvin S. Felzenberg, Spokesman[10]

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There are a few threads on this subject but I like the mapper idea.
Here's the list of 911 Commission members;

Thomas Kean (Chairman) - Republican, former Governor of New Jersey
Lee H. Hamilton (Vice Chairman) - Democrat, former U.S. Representative from the 9th District of Indiana
Richard Ben-Veniste - Democrat, attorney, former chief of the Watergate Task Force of the Watergate Special Prosecutor's Office
Max Cleland - Democrat, former U.S. Senator from Georgia. Resigned December 2003, stating that "the White House has played cover-up"[9]
Fred F. Fielding - Republican, attorney and former White House Counsel
Jamie Gorelick - Democrat, former Deputy Attorney General in the Clinton Administration
Slade Gorton - Republican, former U.S. Senator from Washington
Bob Kerrey - Democrat, President of the New School University and former U.S. Senator from Nebraska. Replaced Max Cleland as a Democratic Commissioner, after Cleland's resignation.
John F. Lehman - Republican, former Secretary of the Navy
Timothy J. Roemer - Democrat, former U.S. Representative from the 3rd District of Indiana
James R. Thompson - Republican, former Governor of Illinois

The members of the commission's staff included:
Philip D. Zelikow, Executive Director/Chair
Christopher Kojm, Deputy Executive Director
Daniel Marcus, General Counsel
John J. Farmer, Senior Counsel
Janice Kephart, Counsel
Alvin S. Felzenberg, Spokesman[10]

en.wikipedia.org...

Henry Kissinger was the first choice to head the commission which caused an uproar.
Common threads among members are -
Project for a new American century (PNAC)
Council on Foreign Relations (CFR)
Former white house staff under Bush and Clinton

America Abroad Media looks like a key connection:
www.americaabroadmedia.org...
Members include Chairman Lee Hamilton and Executive Director Phillip Zelikow along with the following:
Sandy Berger -National Security Advisor to Clinton (caught stealing documents from National Archives)
Zbigniew Brzeznski - National Security Advisor 1977 -1981
Jeanne kirkpatrick - UN Ambassador
Sen, John Kerry
Brent Scowcroft - National Security Advisor to Ford and GHW Bush
Sen. Dick Lugar
David Gergen - White House advisor to Clinton, Reagan, GHW Bush
James Woolsey - CIA director
Robert McNamara - Secretary of Defense
and many more..
That is a lot of National security advisors in one group!

Partnership for a Secure America - www.psaonline.org...
Members also on 911Commission include:
Brzezinski
Gorton
Hamilton
Kean
Lehman

It's quiet because some threads derail themselves.

Schlumberger's stock went from under $25 a share in Aug. 2001 to over $107 a share in Sept. 2008, just before the housing crisis.

So if these people are part of 'TPTB' why did they let the crash happen? They lost more money than the average joe did.

You can sit there all day and draw lines between businessmen and politicians. That's just the way humanity works. But that doesn't mean they are ALL doing something wrong.

Can you name one big name company CEO that could not be framed into being part of some conspiracy? But simple logic would dictate that at some point person 'A's interest would conflict with person 'B's. At that point this whole house of cards of TPTB would start to fall apart.

I could make an argument that mother Teresa was part of some conspiracy. But that doesn't mean it's true any more than these charts.

Originally posted by samkent
It's quiet because some threads derail themselves.

Schlumberger's stock went from under $25 a share in Aug. 2001 to over $107 a share in Sept. 2008, just before the housing crisis.

So if these people are part of 'TPTB' why did they let the crash happen? They lost more money than the average joe did.

You can sit there all day and draw lines between businessmen and politicians. That's just the way humanity works. But that doesn't mean they are ALL doing something wrong.

Can you name one big name company CEO that could not be framed into being part of some conspiracy? But simple logic would dictate that at some point person 'A's interest would conflict with person 'B's. At that point this whole house of cards of TPTB would start to fall apart.

I could make an argument that mother Teresa was part of some conspiracy. But that doesn't mean it's true any more than these charts.

Well now that didn't take long did it.

Every time they crash the system, they end up on top of the heap. They've been doing it over and over and over again, each time concentrating more wealth into their own hands.

You spend so much time imagining that you are debunking conspiracies that you miss the COLLUSION

A Tiny Elite Owns 80% of the World's Wealth

www.lambslain.com...

Personally, I think you're very well aware of the collusion, but you're bent on keeping everyone in the dark about it.

for me, the most telling aspect of 9-11 was pres. bush and vice pres. cheney. there first words were, "we do not need to investigate. we do not need to have a commission. Oh? the people want a commission? okay, we will have one. and we will put henry kissinger in charge. what? people do not trust him? well, okay. wait. they want us to testify? and on record? no way! we will only testify off record and only together at the same time. which is of course goes against every investigative technique that law enforcement uses."

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It has only been 85 minutes since this thread was started so a little patience is in order here.

Oh wait, someone did respond and I see Simon commented in how it didn't take long for an opposing response. Damned if you do damned if you dont.

I don't see how Gorelick's connections to Fannie Mae and the New York State Bar Association is a conflict of interest with examining how 19 terrorists planned and attacked the US, or with documenting how airports hired their own security firms before 9/11 and they didn't have access to FBI Terrorist watch lists.

Are people processing college loans and New York lawyers all part of the sinister secret plot to take over the world, now, too?

Originally posted by samkent
It's quiet because some threads derail themselves.

Schlumberger's stock went from under $25 a share in Aug. 2001 to over $107 a share in Sept. 2008, just before the housing crisis.

So if these people are part of 'TPTB' why did they let the crash happen? They lost more money than the average joe did.

Your statement is in direct contradiction to the fact that you quoted from the OP. Schlumberger's stock increased over 4x after 9/11. Gorelick was on the board.

Further, you have no way of knowing if their private equity firms had holdings defense technology companies. TPTB made fortunes in the build up to Y2K by investing in internet start-ups, and also made fortunes in military contracts after 9/11.

Seriously, do you honestly think fortunes weren't made by defense contractors during the wars in Iraq an Afghanistan? Do you think the oil companies might have made money?

I don't have time now, but I will give you this.

Do a chart on Zbigniew Brzezinski and his son, Mark, partner in the law firm of McGuire Woods. Mike want to do a chart on Lee Hamilton too. Maybe Sandy Berger. No, especially Sandy Berger.

It would be great if some other people here on ATS would go to the site I gave in the OP and post some charts with interesting connections. If there is a conspiracy it had to be covered-up by the 9/11 Commission.

Look for connections to Perseus, LLC, defense contractors, oil companies, and private investment companies.

To OSer's, I'm not claiming a conspiracy. I'm claiming if there was a conspiracy this is where one would start to look.

OSer's: Do you believe it's impossible that there was a conspiracy of some sort by the 9/11 Commission to cover anything up?

Originally posted by SimontheMagus


Every time they crash the system, they end up on top of the heap. They've been doing it over and over and over again, each time concentrating more wealth into their own hands.

That doesn't make sense with regard to the latest financial crisis. Vast numbers of very rich people lost shedloads of money. Are you seriously saying that Merrill Lynch and Lehmann Bros were not part of your shadowy inside group of evil ones? Because they were very much top of the pile for years before 2008.

Almost every wall street bank is in a weaker position than it was before the financial crisis. You think they cooked it up? The facts say no.

Originally posted by UltimateSkeptic1
To OSer's, I'm not claiming a conspiracy. I'm claiming if there was a conspiracy this is where one would start to look.

OSer's: Do you believe it's impossible that there was a conspiracy of some sort by the 9/11 Commission to cover anything up?

You have things backwards. The fact that this 9/11 conspiracy is implausible isn't dependent on whether the 9/11 commission could cover it up or not. The fact that this 9/11 conspiracy is implausible is dependent on it being impossible to cover up every single component of this enormous conspiracy everywhere and by everything, from the FAA to New York City firefighters to ground zero workers to even the Red Cross.

Heck, they can't even cover up Clinton's sex life or Bush outing a CIA agent. What makes you think they can turn around and cover up a vast conspiracy as monstrous as this?

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Your statement is in direct contradiction to the fact that you quoted from the OP. Schlumberger's stock increased over 4x after 9/11. Gorelick was on the board.

No my point is dead on.

If these people are secretly controlling things why did they let the crash happen in 08-09? They lost far more money than I did. Their bottom line was impacted far more than most people.

As others have pointed out many many firms are now in a far weaker position now then before the crash.
And we don't see a bunch of new mega yachts ties up in the harbors now do we. If we are to believe that the whole thing was done for wealth you would expect to see some signs of conspicious wealth.

Has anyone seen Cheney tooling around in a Bently?
Has anyone see GB waxing his Lear jet?

Originally posted by TrickoftheShade

Originally posted by SimontheMagus


Every time they crash the system, they end up on top of the heap. They've been doing it over and over and over again, each time concentrating more wealth into their own hands.

That doesn't make sense with regard to the latest financial crisis. Vast numbers of very rich people lost shedloads of money. Are you seriously saying that Merrill Lynch and Lehmann Bros were not part of your shadowy inside group of evil ones? Because they were very much top of the pile for years before 2008.

Almost every wall street bank is in a weaker position than it was before the financial crisis. You think they cooked it up? The facts say no.

Merrill Lynch and Lehman were competitors to Goldman Sachs.

Connect the dots.

Alliances change. Look at what happened to Eliot Spitzer.

Lower stock prices are not a bad thing when people have hundreds of millions on hand to buy stocks. The weaker banks allow people with more money to buy into their ownership at a huge discount.

TPTB don't make money just when the economy grows. The make their money buying at deep discounts during a crisis.

Originally posted by UltimateSkeptic1

OSer's: Do you believe it's impossible that there was a conspiracy of some sort by the 9/11 Commission to cover anything up?

Not at all, I think there was a conspiracy of sorts to cover up how useless and self-interested the intelligence agencies had been prior to 9/11. There may also have been some wilful burial of the details of Saudi involvement and attempts to obscure how many Israeli agents were operating in the US.

As for a cover up of actual US government involvement in the attacks - I've never seen a single piece of evidence for that.

Originally posted by TrickoftheShade

Originally posted by UltimateSkeptic1

OSer's: Do you believe it's impossible that there was a conspiracy of some sort by the 9/11 Commission to cover anything up?

Not at all, I think there was a conspiracy of sorts to cover up how useless and self-interested the intelligence agencies had been prior to 9/11. There may also have been some wilful burial of the details of Saudi involvement and attempts to obscure how many Israeli agents were operating in the US.

As for a cover up of actual US government involvement in the attacks - I've never seen a single piece of evidence for that.

If there was any evidence I don't think it would be declassified. That does not mean there wasn't any involvement and it definitely doesn't mean it's impossible. Why participate in a conspiracy forum if you intend on having a narrow mind?

Originally posted by UltimateSkeptic1


Merrill Lynch and Lehman were competitors to Goldman Sachs.

Connect the dots.

Alliances change. Look at what happened to Eliot Spitzer.

Lower stock prices are not a bad thing when people have hundreds of millions on hand to buy stocks. The weaker banks allow people with more money to buy into their ownership at a huge discount.

TPTB don't make money just when the economy grows. The make their money buying at deep discounts during a crisis.

So only Goldman Sachs are part of the evil NWO/shadow government? The bankers at Merrills and Lehman, despite for years being amongst the richest men in the world, and in some cases having worked for Goldman, were oblivious?

The latest financial crisis has very little to do with stocks by the way. And it is inconceivable that significant numbers of the financial elite wanted it to happen. Many of them - huge numbers - lost tons of money, banks went broke, while the winners can be counted in the dozens, and they were mostly relative outsiders. You are asking me to believe that there is a secret cadre, and that its members did not include the very richest hedge fund managers, the heads of Europe and the US's biggest banks, CDO investors who were billionaires?

One can rail at the bankers for ruining the economy and for scrambling for a soft landing when it happened. Indeed their mismanagement, selfishness and stupidity is scandalous. But the idea that they are in a club that pulled it off on purpose is not credible.

Originally posted by samkent
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Your statement is in direct contradiction to the fact that you quoted from the OP. Schlumberger's stock increased over 4x after 9/11. Gorelick was on the board.

No my point is dead on.

If these people are secretly controlling things why did they let the crash happen in 08-09? They lost far more money than I did. Their bottom line was impacted far more than most people.

As others have pointed out many many firms are now in a far weaker position now then before the crash.
And we don't see a bunch of new mega yachts ties up in the harbors now do we. If we are to believe that the whole thing was done for wealth you would expect to see some signs of conspicious wealth.

Has anyone seen Cheney tooling around in a Bently?
Has anyone see GB waxing his Lear jet?

You have no idea how much money they made in 2008-2009. Anecdotal stories of NOT seeing yachts and Bentley's do not reflect how much money people made when the market crashed in 2008, or how much they made from buying in near the lows in early 2009. There are still plenty of yachts and Bentleys sold everyday.

You do know that people make more money, much faster, when markets crash, right?

You do know who George Soros is right? And his British pound trade? You think he made money when the pound crashed?

How about Paul Tudor Jones? Do you think he made money in 1987 when the S&P crashed 25% in a day?