NY Times: Obama Colluded with Drug Companies to Keep Prices High

This doesn't surprise me at all. All you have to do is look at Obama's policies to see who they're actually helping. This is the main reason I don't understand all the "Obama is a radical Marxist" comments.

Our presidetn wants us all to give our money to insurance compnies. Mandatory!
Insurance companies are the biggest problem in terms of this country's healthcare problems. The insurance companies would seemingly be under strichter guidelines, for mandatory premiums from everyone though! I'm pretty sure they're ok with that.

Lobbying and interest groups have been slowly killing our political machine for decades now. Citizens United has recently blown the hole wide open now. This country is officially Gordon Gecko with a flag.

I see no way to fight it though. The players in place are all too big and too powerful. How can the citizens of this nation fight such a far reaching problem when our only means are voting? It's enough to make ya puke.
< even this little pukey ballie head thinks so.

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Weak Moral Fiber?
That would imply that their at least trying to do what is right and just can't bring themselves to do so over the money involved.
This is not the case at all.

www.naturalnews.com...
U.S. government launches pharmaceutical division

The U.S. government has decided to enter the pharmaceutical business. Apparently, the drug companies aren't coming out with new "breakthrough" drugs quickly enough, and now the U.S. government plans to spend taxpayer dollars conducting research on drugs which will be turned over to Big Pharma. Those drug companies, in turn, will sell them for a profit. It's yet another clear case where the government is taking over the health care (sick care) industry and funneling profits into the hands of pharmaceutical corporations.

The new government drug research center will operate under the National Institutes of Health (NIH) and be called the National Center for Advancing Translational Sciences. Dr. Francis Collins, director of the National Institutes of Health, says he hopes Congress will increase funding of the center to at least $1 billion annually.

The NIH, of course, is a revolving door for Big Pharma executives. Dr William Potter, for example, was formerly a researcher at the National Institute of Mental Health, after which he became the vice president of translational neuroscience at Merck. And the government money that goes into these so-called drug "discoveries" will only end up boosting the profits of drug companies rather than fundamentally improving the health of the American people. (More drugs does not equal better health. If anything it's an inverse correlation: More drugs = more degenerative disease!)

What do you call it when Heads of Financial, Military, Big Pharma all go to be politicians to help their cronies out?

There is no moral dilemma here, because these thieves of American Tax Dollars are doing exactly as they please and intended to do when they went to Washington to be politicians.

Like Mitt Romney said, that is where the money is.

These parasites write the bills themselves and hand it to their crony partners in government try and pass it without even reading it.


www.scribd.com...

You got that right.
But the spin masters here want to play the psychological game of only pinning it on one to help with the divide and conquer game.

en.wikipedia.org...

The top twenty pharmaceutical companies and their two trade groups, Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America (PhRMA) and Biotechnology Industry Organization, lobbied on at least 1,600 pieces of legislation between 1998 and 2004. According to the non-partisan Center for Responsive Politics, pharmaceutical companies spent $900 million on lobbying between 1998 and 2005, more than any other industry. During the same period, they donated $89.9 million to federal candidates and political parties, giving approximately three times as much to Republicans as to Democrats.[1] According to the Center for Public Integrity, from January 2005 through June 2006 alone, the pharmaceutical industry spent approximately $182 million on Federal lobbying.[2] The industry has 1,274 registered lobbyists in Washington D.C. [3]

Originally posted by RealSpoke
reply to post by neo96

 

I could go on and on about both of them being corrupt. They are both awful. It's sad that you're trying to defend one corrupt admin for another.

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I don't give up easy either, but this nation is so far out of the hands of its people, the depths of greed and corruption are limitless. You're right, our decline as a republic, began after WWII. Special interest, lobbying, and war-mongering have destroyed this country. I used to be offended when Europeans talked crap about the United States, especially since I'm a veteran and patriot, but these days, I don't argue anymore. I have nothing to stand on. Without sounding cheesy, "Don't hate the player, hate the game," is definitely appropriate in its utilization to describe our war-mongering foreign policy. I will always support our troops, however, I don't support the spineless politicians that order them to war.

We're almost out of Iraq, we're trying to pull out of Afghanistan, and already they've set their sites on Asia-Pacific. Really? Must we be at war constantly? I'm not naive or ignorant. I know we have enemies. We're instigating with Syria and Iran. When does it end? How does it stop?

We have become the United Corporations of America. I don't care what view of itself our govt has, but I still can't justify a defense budget of over $800 billion dollars. It's so ridiculous it's insane. Our defense budget is more than most countries entire federal budget! And how well did that $800 billion protect us from 22 hijackers with box-cutters? Oh, that's right...it didn't! But 9/11 is a whole other criminal discussion, isn't it?

Phew! Sorry about the rant.

The main problem may not lie with the person. Obama could have been lying the whole time he was campaigning, or he could have just been that naive, not knowing that Washington doesn't really work the way he thought it did. They want us fighting over who to blame, when the only real solution is to take our country back from the politicians. If I have said it once, I have said it a thousand times...by their nature, the majority of people who choose politics as a career are sociopaths, or have some related condition that causes them to not really care about who they are supposed to be representing...Not all of course, but enough of the ones in power.

Incidents like these should not occur in a democratic republic like the USA. The fact that they occur everyday is a testament to who really controls the country, and it isn't the people.

Originally posted by minor007
I think its about time people realised that the government is being blackmailed by companies. Possibly threatening taking their business abroad leaving more Americans without Jobs. If any of you was president what would you do? You will come into the oval office with good ideas and suddenly you find you cant do it. Everyone blames Obama and yet he is nothing more than a puppet to the companies that threaten to outsource to another country

Threatening to take your business abroad isn't blackmail.

It's freedom.

It's why nationalistic socialism can't work without dictatorial control.

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Seems like your suggesting that news media outlets should be controlled,
and your for limiting free speech.

Take it up with Newsmax, and tell them your there make sure the headlines
all read the same as the New York Times.....is your job to limit free speech?

Speculation about the White House "Leaker" !!

It's from a radio show and the audio is a little garbled at times.

This guy thinks Obama is toast !!

Breitbart video

Originally posted by mbkennel

Lay off the Ayn Rand comic books.

Lay off the Rham Emmanuel speeches... I don't even like Rand's books...

Originally posted by mbkennel
It sure did happen in "true Capitalism/free market", e.g. USA from 1875-1910, because the rampant abuse of monopoly power from powerful companies then is exactly what brought about "anti-trust" (anti-monopoly/price fixing) legislation. ("trusts" were the legal structure used then to circumvent state regulations, now obsolete)

Monopoly is NOT synonymous with a FREE MARKET/CAPITALISM... Monopoly is centralization of power and it is synonymous with SOCIALISM...

The "rampant abuse of monopoly power" was caused by the GREEDY attempt by some people to CONTROL the markets and industries that their companies specialized in. This in turn was facilitated because the GOVERNMENT GOT INVOLVED when it shouldn't have...

The GOVERNMENT made pacts with the richest people to give more power and control to their companies, like the railroad, which in turn supressed what was left of the free market/capitalism, and the little man (farmers and such) had to bow down to the railroad because the "government/state" was behind the railroad and not the people...

It was all done in the name of "PROGRESS"... To these people the end justified the means (Just like today's elites) even if they had to kill farmers, or kill their herds to take control of their lands so the railroad could use them, and of course the farmers couldn't ask for help from the government because the government was helping the railroad barons... THAT IS NOT CAPITALISM/FREE MARKET...

Originally posted by mbkennel
No it didn't. Evidence? Fannie Mae didn't exist in 1914, and the Standard Oil monopoly was successfully broken up and the resulting companies did compete. The predecessors to JP Morgan were not monopolies, and JP Morgan was allowed to combine with Chase only after a late 1990's deregulation which repealed the 1930's Glass-Steagall act, which itself had divided commercial from investment banking.

... I didn't write at any time that all these monopolies sprung at the same time in 1914... It took time for this to happen, but the "progressive legislation" put forth by PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRATS ensured that the economy was placed at the hands of a few elite bankers, which allowed for the whole political system of this nation to be corrupted, and we to this day know for CERTAIN that most, if not all the top members of the Feds have had, or have links to the largest corporations that exist right now... These people have been, or become CEOs of the largest corporations that exist right now once they leave office...

Are you going to tell me that large corporations did not succeed during the time the Glass-Steagall Act was implemented?...

Originally posted by mbkennel
Government regulation is unsophisticated, but very effective in this matter.

The government shouldn't get involved in the free markets/capitalism because once they do they play favorites and allow a few major corporations to succeed meanwhile restraining, or even shutting down small businesses trying to succeed in those industries the "GIANTS THAT CAN'T FAIL" are involved in...

Originally posted by mbkennel
And you can sure buy any health care you want directly without the government paying. Guess how much it costs? (Actually it is hard to find out, but the answer is always "an enormous amount". I support government action to require firm, honored, public price lists.)

And under the OBAMA CARE bill EVERYONE must pay for abortions of other people whether you are a pro-lifer or pro-choice, and there are other legislations hid within this bill that FORCE people to do what OBAMA THE SAVIOUR AND HIS THUGS want you to do...

Originally posted by neo96

You really believe that? Take a hard long look at the criminal activity under the previous administration and you'll realize that politicians in Washington are above the law

Still trying to blame Bush?

The current adminstration makes the last admin look like saints. The sheer amount of corruption and lies and muder have made American history.

The most corrupt administration in History Obama has colluded with everything and everyone to stay in that office,.

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ahhh yes we are actually...the stench from his tenure is still wafting over us and remains the main source of our present day economic issues

Obama's complicit with Dr Pusher man. And that's why he's turned against MJ legalization too.

Drug companies now have become so greedy and corrupt. They only care about whats green. There has to be a way to end there dirty hands.

This might get you all really upset as to what is being done now. In my state and many others, the candidates are no longer listing themselves as candidates. You ask yourself, what I am talking about? Ahh, well you see now they are listing themselves as a corporation as a candidate. Give you an example for our states senator and representative for U.S. they are now listed as Inc. next to their names as candidates. So you see candidates are now incorporated candidates. Why would you do this? For several reasons. One, you are no longer responsible for any actions you take and now you are a corporation as a vote. Don't believe me, check your own states lists, I bet they are listed as Inc.

How did you get This:

Originally posted by burntheships
reply to post by stanguilles7

 

Seems like your suggesting that news media outlets should be controlled,
and your for limiting free speech.

Take it up with Newsmax, and tell them your there make sure the headlines
all read the same as the New York Times.....is your job to limit free speech?

edit on 10-6-2012 by burntheships because: (no reason given)

From This?

Originally posted by stanguilles7
Again, it seems rather disingenuous for your source to claim the NY Times said "Obama Colluded with Drug Companies" when the actual Times headline was:

Obama Was Pushed by Drug Industry, E-Mails Suggest

and pointed out several times that Obama's actions were more of a 'giving in to' than a 'colluding'

I mean, why not just post the actual NYTImes article?

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It's a good thing you didnt quote me in your post, since your reply in no way relates to what I wrote whatsoever. How you got three other people to start your nonsensical reply blows my mind.

I dont know why it would surprise anyone that a marxist would jack with prices and manufacture scarcity.

Cant people just want to help there fellow man anymore?

I've said since day one that Obamacare was a gift to the pockets of big pharma and insurance companies. It has zero to do with humanitarian reasons, and everything to do with corporatism. This is the proof.

Hope you people voting for him next election because of his stance on "free" health care can see what he really is now.

/TOA