NY Times: Obama Colluded with Drug Companies to Keep Prices High

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posted on Jun, 10 2012 @ 01:41 PM
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Originally posted by RealSpoke
Why aren't people upset at the influence big pharma has over the government in this thread?


Regardless of the bribes by big pharma, it takes someone of weak moral fibre to accept the bribes!!!

If you get someone with a backbone, a strong moral compass, then no bribe no matter how big, no coersion, could sway someone.




posted on Jun, 10 2012 @ 01:50 PM
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I could go on and on about both of them being corrupt. They are both awful. It's sad that you're trying to defend one corrupt admin for another.



posted on Jun, 10 2012 @ 01:53 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by RealSpoke
Why aren't people upset at the influence big pharma has over the government in this thread?


Regardless of the bribes by big pharma, it takes someone of weak moral fibre to accept the bribes!!!

If you get someone with a backbone, a strong moral compass, then no bribe no matter how big, no coersion, could sway someone.


Indeed.

And as soon as one exists, who actually has a chance at being elected President, who has the power to take on nearly every single Congressional Representative who is bought and paid for by these corporations, you be sure to name a name and have a stake in the fight.
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posted on Jun, 10 2012 @ 01:55 PM
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Originally posted by stanguilles7

Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by RealSpoke
Why aren't people upset at the influence big pharma has over the government in this thread?


Regardless of the bribes by big pharma, it takes someone of weak moral fibre to accept the bribes!!!

If you get someone with a backbone, a strong moral compass, then no bribe no matter how big, no coersion, could sway someone.


Indeed.

And as soon as one exists, who actually has a chance at being elected President, who has the power to take on nearly every single Congressional Representative who is bought and paid for by these corporations, you be sure to name a name and have a stake in the fight.
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Me and Diogenes will keep looking.



posted on Jun, 10 2012 @ 02:02 PM
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Originally posted by RealSpoke
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I could go on and on about both of them being corrupt. They are both awful. It's sad that you're trying to defend one corrupt admin for another.


No not defending anything nor deflecting from the topic subject which is Obama.

The current administration is the most corrupt thing Americans have ever seen but some are saying so what Bush was corrupt so Obama's duplicity means nothing.



posted on Jun, 10 2012 @ 02:04 PM
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This is perfect example of how the GOP, the Dems, and the Pharma Corps work together to rob everyone blind.

See the GOP and the Pharma reps came out saying the Healthcare bill was bad, and said that on FOX news, so all of the simple minded GOP fanatics would then think/say/believe the same thing. "It's bad!".

But the GOP crew has become so criminal and untrustworthy through the last 8 years of the Bush crime spree and lying extravaganza, that most moderates and independents consider anything they say/think as reprehensible automatically now as a knee-jerk reaction.

So when they said "oh Obamacare is bad" this automatically makes many people think "Oh they think it's bad? They must be losing $$$ somehow, stick it to em Obama make em hurt!" And through reverse psychology end up supporting the Obamacare legislation to some degree.

When in reality, what really happened in secret, was that the GOP, Pharma interests, and the Democrats worked hand in hand to get this bill passed, to make sure that prices wouldn't get lowered and that the govt would foot huge medical bills and get in more new patients to increase business.

So we all get to pretend we live in an advanced society (which we do not), and have our health care taken care of, yet somehow think it can coexist by letting all of these criminals and psychopathic murders to stay in charge of all of these corporations (even though it can be shown they knowingly cause death through negligence or malice, commit insider trading, and are guilty of treason, fraud, extortion, etc).

I can't believe they think the public is this stupid. Maybe we are???
The GOP and Pharma Inc just used reverse freaking psychology on us right in our faces saying they were against Obamacare when in reality they inked a deal to make it happen and get rich at the same time!
Hilarious and frightening!
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posted on Jun, 10 2012 @ 02:22 PM
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But Obama PROMISED to be different. He campaigned on HOPE AND CHANGE. His whole political philosophy was going to be different than any previous administration. That's what makes Obama even worse. He's just the same as every other politician. Wake up people.



posted on Jun, 10 2012 @ 02:29 PM
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The idea of a Politician who is not Corrupt is absurd , the system is broke and its time to rip the whole thing out and start anew ..



posted on Jun, 10 2012 @ 02:35 PM
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Originally posted by essanance
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The idea of a Politician who is not Corrupt is absurd , the system is broke and its time to rip the whole thing out and start anew ..


Not absurd, just rare.



posted on Jun, 10 2012 @ 02:38 PM
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The lied right to our faces.
The GOP claimed that Obamacare was bad. They screamed it everyday for a long time...

But look what we have....they were actually investing in these very corporate entities behind our backs, knowing that Obamacare would increase profitability by footing the bill for even more patients to get all sorts of care options. Which is laughable because half the treatments and medications are deadly and the side effects so numerous and devastating that the benefits are questionable.

That's called a "pattern of racketeering activity". By legal definition this activity is prohibited under countless aspects of federal law, and can be punishable with lengthy prison sentences for anyone revealed to be connected and convicted in court.

18 USC § 1961 - DEFINITIONS
law.cornell.edu

This covers all the bases and fits extremely well, considering the amount of this legislation which deals with "controlled substances" and their abuse. A "controlled substance" is any chemical of which the possession or use is controlled by law.

The Pharma corps main point of existence is the selling of controlled substances for profit.

Also we have all of the other criminal acts associated with racketeering listed as well:


(1) “racketeering activity” means (A) any act or threat involving murder, kidnapping, gambling, arson, robbery, bribery, extortion, dealing in obscene matter, or dealing in a controlled substance or listed chemical



(B) any act which is indictable under any of the following provisions of title 18, United States Code: Section 201 (relating to bribery)


Of course we have bribery going on.


section 664 (relating to embezzlement from pension and welfare funds)

What did they call Obamacare? Welfare?
It's being embezzled through backroom deals to create expensive government projects like Obamacare, while these guys are committing insider trading knowing these companies value will increase.


sections 891–894 (relating to extortionate credit transactions), section 1028 (relating to fraud and related activity in connection with identification documents),


Using our SS # and other government identification means, creating credit on their behalf and extorting it through deceptive practices.


section 1084 (relating to the transmission of gambling information), section 1341 (relating to mail fraud), section 1343 (relating to wire fraud), section 1344 (relating to financial institution fraud),


Gambling with the insider info, committing mail and wire fraud by knowingly printing deceptive media articles and advertisements, funding political organizations to disseminate propaganda that is knowingly misleading and crafted towards expanding profitability and personal wealth at the expense of the taxpayer.


section 1503 (relating to obstruction of justice), section 1510 (relating to obstruction of criminal investigations), section 1511 (relating to the obstruction of State or local law enforcement), section 1512 (relating to tampering with a witness, victim, or an informant), section 1513 (relating to retaliating against a witness, victim, or an informant),


Treating whistle blowers like criminals, punishing them as consequence. Bribing or threatening officials to aid in covering up or ignoring criminal actions, making sure any effort for justice is obstructed and obscured.


section 1951 (relating to interference with commerce, robbery, or extortion), section 1952 (relating to racketeering), section 1953 (relating to interstate transportation of wagering paraphernalia), section 1954 (relating to unlawful welfare fund payments), section 1955 (relating to the prohibition of illegal gambling businesses), section 1956 (relating to the laundering of monetary instruments), section 1957 (relating to engaging in monetary transactions in property derived from specified unlawful activity),



(D) any offense involving fraud connected with a case under title 11 (except a case under section 157 of this title), fraud in the sale of securities, or the felonious manufacture, importation, receiving, concealment, buying, selling, or otherwise dealing in a controlled substance or listed chemical (as defined in section 102 of the Controlled Substances Act),



(E) any act which is indictable under the Currency and Foreign Transactions Reporting Act,


There is a lot more, just look at the link for full details.
Another link : legal dictionary - racketeering



posted on Jun, 10 2012 @ 02:41 PM
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Sorry but this really no surprise. Obama is just another politician being bought and paid to do a job. The job is not to get in the way of the FED or corporate raping of America. I don't care who is holding the office a Republican or Democrat because it is a systemic problem with our government. It has been overthrown by lobbyists and technocrats who manipulate the system to their own ends.

I remember talking to my sister about Obama.

She said, "You knw he is lying?"

I replied, "sure I do. He is lying just like McCain is."

I asked her, are you going to tell Mccain isn't lying?"

She looked at me and just walked away. I mean we should expect lies from our elected official before the cold hard truth. These politicians are just deal makers who know that they must make deals with devils because the devils control the money and media.
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posted on Jun, 10 2012 @ 02:44 PM
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And they are technically a collection of enterprises as well. So they can in theory be prosecuted in full, if the judiciary and attorney general weren't complicit in this organized criminal scheme, than we could have indictments within a week.


The specific goal of RICO is to punish the use of an enterprise to engage in certain criminal activities. A person who uses an enterprise to engage in a pattern of racketeering may be convicted under the RICO criminal statute (18 U.S.C.A. § 1963). An enterprise is defined as "any individual, partnership, corporation, association, or other legal entity, and any union or group of individuals associated in fact although not a legal entity." A pattern is defined as "at least two acts of racketeering activity, one of which occurred after the effective date of [RICO's passage] and the last of which occurred within 10 years … after commission of a prior act of racketeering activity."


There are literally countless acts which can be construed as racketeering considering what circumstances may be at play, so it would technically be easy to drop the hammer on all sorts of people and institutions right now.

But the folks holding the hammer are in their pocket. That's how organized crime works after all.
Paying off officials goes hand in hand with racketeering.



posted on Jun, 10 2012 @ 02:52 PM
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What a massive Socialist/Communist/Maoist/Stalinist bastard!

Standard class war right there, on the poor.



posted on Jun, 10 2012 @ 02:59 PM
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Originally posted by muzzleflash
And they are technically a collection of enterprises as well. So they can in theory be prosecuted in full, if the judiciary and attorney general weren't complicit in this organized criminal scheme, than we could have indictments within a week.


The specific goal of RICO is to punish the use of an enterprise to engage in certain criminal activities. A person who uses an enterprise to engage in a pattern of racketeering may be convicted under the RICO criminal statute (18 U.S.C.A. § 1963). An enterprise is defined as "any individual, partnership, corporation, association, or other legal entity, and any union or group of individuals associated in fact although not a legal entity." A pattern is defined as "at least two acts of racketeering activity, one of which occurred after the effective date of [RICO's passage] and the last of which occurred within 10 years … after commission of a prior act of racketeering activity."


There are literally countless acts which can be construed as racketeering considering what circumstances may be at play, so it would technically be easy to drop the hammer on all sorts of people and institutions right now.

But the folks holding the hammer are in their pocket. That's how organized crime works after all.
Paying off officials goes hand in hand with racketeering.


I have often wondered why they don't go after public officials with RICO laws. I have always thought tah the reason they don't is that it would expose the entire corrupt political system. I believe that every Congressional office holder is corrupt. they may not think so because, "this is the way they have done business for as long as anyone can remember" and they are just using the processes and procedures to get around the law which have been developed and refined year after year. SO, now these processes and procedures have been codified into law just because their historical tradition....

AKA "legal graft"



posted on Jun, 10 2012 @ 04:27 PM
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Originally posted by elitegamer23
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the problem with obama haters is they actually think its one side(dem) vs the other(gop), when in reality its both sides vs the american people.


I see one side as giving in significantly and timidly to the interests of the wealthy and powerful vs another side which is barnacled to the narrow interests of the wealthy and powerful.
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posted on Jun, 10 2012 @ 04:30 PM
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Originally posted by fnpmitchreturns

Originally posted by muzzleflash
And they are technically a collection of enterprises as well. So they can in theory be prosecuted in full, if the judiciary and attorney general weren't complicit in this organized criminal scheme, than we could have indictments within a week.


The specific goal of RICO is to punish the use of an enterprise to engage in certain criminal activities. A person who uses an enterprise to engage in a pattern of racketeering may be convicted under the RICO criminal statute (18 U.S.C.A. § 1963). An enterprise is defined as "any individual, partnership, corporation, association, or other legal entity, and any union or group of individuals associated in fact although not a legal entity." A pattern is defined as "at least two acts of racketeering activity, one of which occurred after the effective date of [RICO's passage] and the last of which occurred within 10 years … after commission of a prior act of racketeering activity."


There are literally countless acts which can be construed as racketeering considering what circumstances may be at play, so it would technically be easy to drop the hammer on all sorts of people and institutions right now.

But the folks holding the hammer are in their pocket. That's how organized crime works after all.
Paying off officials goes hand in hand with racketeering.


I have often wondered why they don't go after public officials with RICO laws.


Read the law. If you and conspirators are part of a political party or lobbying organization (aka "think tank") you are immune, since they are legal entities. Don't you think somebody already gamed this one when they were writing the law? Don't misunderestimate.
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posted on Jun, 10 2012 @ 04:39 PM
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Again, it seems rather disingenuous for your source to claim the NY Times said "Obama Colluded with Drug Companies" when the actual Times headline was:

Obama Was Pushed by Drug Industry, E-Mails Suggest

and pointed out several times that Obama's actions were more of a 'giving in to' than a 'colluding'

I mean, why not just post the actual NYTImes article?

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posted on Jun, 10 2012 @ 04:55 PM
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I don't care who is holding the office a Republican or Democrat because it is a systemic problem with our government. It has been overthrown by lobbyists and technocrats who manipulate the system to their own ends.

If I may hijack your post quickly to make a point I believe also...
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posted on Jun, 10 2012 @ 05:03 PM
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I can't say I'm surprised. The guy is a fraud, like most presidents.



posted on Jun, 10 2012 @ 05:10 PM
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Originally posted by kidtwist
I can't say I'm surprised. The guy is a fraud, like most presidents.



I'm a politician which means I'm a cheat and a liar, and when I'm not kissing babies I'm stealing their lollipops

Jeffrey Pelt. The Hunt for Red October.





 
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