reply to post by 911files
John Farmer (911files), I have re-read the whole 14 pages, to get a feeling from the other side of the fence, i.o.w. the way you must have read it,
with a firm believe in a SoC impacting plane.
As you do understand by now, I hope, I am slowly shifting to a center position between NoC and SoC, while I began this thread with a firm belief in a
NoC flight path.
So, I encountered your posted DCA Range 3 nmi 1330 - 1339 again :
Let me first say, that I have a fairly good image in my head of the underlaying real map of that area, since I have spend quite some time once, to
find that DCA radar dish on the south point of the Reagan National Airport grounds. It is build on the south point, just beside the riverside.
I have posted once a photo of it, but I can't get to my old photos repository anymore here at ATS, after some hacker found all the passwords for ATS
from all those members who were still accessing their ATS pictures repository, and then staff here closed all these repositories.
That means I have to sift through all my 3000+ posts, to find that photo with that radar dish back.
It's easier to make a new one. You can easily find it yourself on a GE map from Reagan NA.
I see a green dot which is the DCA radar dish, placed on the southeast riverside point of the Reagan National airport "triangular formed island". And
I see that red triangle which is the impact zone. Or is it the impact point? If so, is there a precise Lat/Long value to be extracted from this radar
picture that covers the local time from 9:30 to 9:39.?
I also see a runway approaching plane from the south, and then it is landing and taxiing to the terminals. And some Potomac River approach flying
planes besides (east of) the other runway that lays along the riverside, that banks sharp to the left, direction Pentagon. Of course it could also
come from over the Pentagon, and going to the River Approach lanes.
There's also one flying River Approach from the north, or going to the north.
And I also see a LOT of nearly stable points, which could be helicopters in the air?
And a few very slow flying planes, with short flight paths during those 9 minutes.
I also see two planes going or leaving from Andrews AB, crossing the River Approach lanes.
One of these, or both, were seen by this fishing boat captain with that Greek name, on the Potomac, interviewed by CIT.?
And they thought it was GOPHER, the C-130.
I see AA 77 in a somewhat curved approach in its last 7 minutes, incoming FROM THE NORTH, when we assume impact time to be 9:38.
It did come in from the east, according to the FDR.
I do not see radar returns from GOPHER (the C-130 with pilot O'Brien) trailing behind AA 77, could you post this type of diagram, but now from the
moment on that Gopher took off from Andrews AFB? And let it cover a wider area please, if possible? So we can see the flight path of that C-130 flown
by Lt Col O'Brien.
And let it last a few minutes longer, so that we can show our readers the about 1 minute later landing B 757 with a tail number that differed only one
number with that from AA 77.
A long lasting rumor was, that this plane was in fact AA 77. Which I never believed in.
I have however a nagging question :
Why is the 8 minutes lasting North to South heading of AA 77
in this radar scope picture a totally different one
than the one I posted
once, where I let the plane come in from the East as pictured in the FDR,
and let it continue over the roofs of the Pentagon, and it could land
on the northern tip of that south going runway at Reagan NA. That was a fluent turn over the roofs towards the northern end of that runway, which is
totally impossible in this radar scope picture. The flight path of AA 77 pictured here would need an idiotic sharp S-turn to be able to land on the
northern end of the longest runway of Reagan NA.
EDIT : Of course that west to east incoming radar trace towards the Pentagon could be AA 77, with its last part of its flight path cut off because it
flew too low. It flew damn slow then, when it covered only that distance in 8 minutes....
And the south to north track "could" be GOPHER...... Very strange then, that we do not see it trail behind AA 77 in the foregoing minutes.
edit on 2/7/12 by LaBTop because: (no reason given)