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Originally posted by dashdespatch
reply to post by GmoS719
What a load of cr*p you are saying that level 1 masons are like nushrooms ie kept in the dark and fed on sh*t
level 2 not much more only level 3 are into the full thing?
Originally posted by GmoS719
Originally posted by dashdespatch
reply to post by GmoS719
How do know what level my grandfather was may i ask?
I don't claim to know what degree he was.
Why don't you tell us?edit on 2-6-2012 by GmoS719 because: (no reason given)edit on 2-6-2012 by GmoS719 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by dashdespatch
reply to post by GmoS719
What knowledge do you have? what family members are in it? what country do you live in?
Originally posted by Infi8nity
Originally posted by GmoS719
Originally posted by dashdespatch
reply to post by GmoS719
How do know what level my grandfather was may i ask?
I don't claim to know what degree he was.
Why don't you tell us?edit on 2-6-2012 by GmoS719 because: (no reason given)edit on 2-6-2012 by GmoS719 because: (no reason given)
Degree has nothing to do with it. Its all about the lodge and the people you know. Just because your a high rank does not mean you know allot about whats really going on. I have long suspected ranks beyond the 33rd. Masons are well known in Hollywood and business because they are used as networks to boost people career. If you show your dedicated to the masons then some one could notice you and make you a rap star, or CEO in a company. They will help you get the job. Keep in mind your brothers in a fraternal order, they helped you get a job so they are going to want influence over that job. You will do what they ask you to do in the job they have handed you. There are so many police and fire men that are masons. Its not that they know or under stand whats happening. If you want to join a police force and all the cops are masons and your not what are the chances of you getting that job? They are only told small aspects and lied to about the rest to hide the big picture.
Originally posted by dashdespatch
reply to post by robhines
I will say this is again how exactly do you know this?
During the years that the lodge was headed by Licio Gelli, P2 was implicated in numerous Italian crimes and mysteries, including the collapse of the Vatican-affiliated Banco Ambrosiano, the murders of journalist Mino Pecorelli and banker Roberto Calvi, and corruption cases within the nationwide bribe scandal Tangentopoli. P2 came to light through the investigations into the collapse of Michele Sindona's financial empire.[1]
P2 was sometimes referred to as a "state within a state"[2] or a "shadow government".[3] The lodge had among its members prominent journalists, members of parliament, industrialists, and military leaders—including Silvio Berlusconi, who later became Prime Minister of Italy; the Savoy pretender to the Italian throne Victor Emmanuel; and the heads of all three Italian intelligence services.
Originally posted by dashdespatch
reply to post by WhoKnows100
As a christian i find your comments highly offensive...
"In many lodges the holy name of Jesus is not allowed to be spoken. Praying to Jesus, or ending a prayer in the name of Jesus is an "offense" big enough to get a lodge closed.
The removal of the name of Jesus and references to Him in Bible verses used in the ritual are “slight but necessary modifications.” (Albert Mackey, “Masonic Ritualist,” p.272)" LINK
"One main difference between Freemasonry and Christianity is that Christianity holds that Jesus is everything, while Masonry teaches that He is nothing - equal to pagan gods such as Allah and those taught by Buddha. The Bible kept in Masonic Lodges is there just like a piece of furniture. The Holy Name of Jesus is never to be read from it.
At some point it will dawn on you that you have chosen the lodge, the occult and Satan over the Lord Jesus Christ. When you notice there is a complete "black out" of even the mention of Jesus Christ in your lodge, you will feel trapped because of all the "solemn Masonic oaths" you had made, without knowing in advance of just what you were in for." LINK
“And he shall be for a sanctuary…a stone of stumbling …a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem. And many among them shall stumble, and fall, and be broken, and be snared, and be taken.” (Isaiah 8:14-15)