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So are you saying then that there's INTELLIGENCE involve in the Origins of Life?
That life has the Hallmark of Intelligent Design?
Originally posted by radix
reply to post by edmc^2
So are you saying then that there's INTELLIGENCE involve in the Origins of Life?
That life has the Hallmark of Intelligent Design?
No, I'm saying what I 've already explained to you in this very thread - that evolution is a combination of mutation and natural selection, which is clearly not "blind chance". Why is this so difficult for you to understand?
Is mutation the result of of a planned event, i.e. intelligent guided process or an accident, i.e. blind chance event?
Originally posted by radix
reply to post by edmc^2
Is mutation the result of of a planned event, i.e. intelligent guided process or an accident, i.e. blind chance event?
Mutations are essentially random but you conveniently left out natural selection, which clearly isn't. Why is that?
Which one do you think comes/happens first? Mutation or Natural Selection?
Who is the driver? Isn't it mutation?
If so, and if the result of mutation is not conducive to "evolution" - will natural selection occur?
And what's the trigger for natural selection? Does it select randomly or Intelligently?
If randomly, then is it by accident - i.e. Blind Chance?
So it goes back again to Blind Chance Event. Doesn't it?
Originally posted by edmc^2
Which one do you think comes/happens first? Mutation or Natural Selection?
Who is the driver? Isn't it mutation?
If so, and if the result of mutation is not conducive to "evolution" - will natural selection occur?
And what's the trigger for natural selection? Does it select randomly or Intelligently?
If randomly, then is it by accident - i.e. Blind Chance?
So it goes back again to Blind Chance Event. Doesn't it?
Originally posted by edmc^2
reply to post by MrXYZ
Please stay ON Topic and address my simple question.
If you say NATURE and the FORCES OF NATURE is the CAUSAL FORCE - the Prime Mover of Life NOT Intelligence, does this mean then that there's no INTELLIGENCE in Nature?
If NO Intelligence - does this mean then that NATURE is dumb? And was just lucky to create life by accident?
If by ACCIDENT - would you consider this then .... BLIND CHANCE EVENT?
what say you?
Originally posted by radix
reply to post by edmc^2
Which one do you think comes/happens first? Mutation or Natural Selection?
Who is the driver? Isn't it mutation?
If so, and if the result of mutation is not conducive to "evolution" - will natural selection occur?
And what's the trigger for natural selection? Does it select randomly or Intelligently?
If randomly, then is it by accident - i.e. Blind Chance?
So it goes back again to Blind Chance Event. Doesn't it?
You really are a fountain of logical fallacies, aren't you? This particular variety is called a false dichotomy. You're suggesting that "random" and "intelligent" are the only options when this is clearly not the case. Natural selection is neither random nor intelligent. I'm surprised you're struggling with this as it's the very foundation of the theory of evolution. Wouldn't you need to at least understand the basics of a theory to be able to criticize it?
Whether a mutation will be passed along to future generations or not is anything but a random proposition. If the mutation increases the chances of survival of the organism then it will clearly have a greater chance of having offspring than if the mutation decreases the chances of its survival. It's got nothing to do with blind chance.
..the chances of survival of the organism then it will clearly have a greater chance of having offspring than if the mutation decreases the chances of its survival.
Still repeating the same nonsense I see. The driver is NATURE and not all mutations are random. Some are caused by cosmic rays, solar radiation, and various other factors. That's not random, it's direct cause and effect. The selection itself is very specific and includes not just natural selection but sexual selection. I know you love repeating the catch phrase "BLIND CHANCE EVENTS!!!!" but it's not relevant at all. Asking circular questions does not change that. Is it blind chance events that men generally prefer to mate with healthy attractive women?
Sure I understand the process but if Natural Selection has NOTHING to do with BLIND CHANCE (random) and Intelligence, then how does it naturally select?
Whether a mutation will be passed along to future generations or not is anything but a random proposition. If the mutation increases the chances of survival of the organism then it will clearly have a greater chance of having offspring than if the mutation decreases the chances of its survival.
Who or what decides the selection so that it will be a Natural Selection?
And by Natural Selection - what are the parameters for it to occur?
And finally - who set the parameters?
Can't be Nature since it's not intelligent so who or what can it be then?
And if as you say "Mutations are essentially random" - what makes Natural Selection non-random?
Also if you say
"..the chances of survival of the organism then it will clearly have a greater chance of having offspring than if the mutation decreases the chances of its survival."
Does this mean that CHANCE was the trigger for Natural Selection to occur?
Is this Blind Chance Event or planned event?
Still trying to push that false dichotomy, I see. The answer, of course, is neither.
Why are evolutionists so scared and coward when it comes this word - Blind Chance Event?
Every time I mention it I get this 'it wasn't me' response.
So if abiogenesis / evolution is not by Intelligence / planned event or Blind Chance Event, Accident, Luck what then?
If Nature / Climate Change / blah blah blah was responsible for the existence / mutation / evolution of life then did "IT" do it by accident, luck, blind chance?
It could not be Intelligence because like you said there's no need for parameters.
So what was responsible for triggering abiogenesis / mutation / evolution if not an accidental, unplanned and may i dare to say - Blind Chance Event?
Originally posted by edmc^2
"The driver is NATURE and not all mutations are random." - If so, what parameters does NATURE use to randomly and non-randomly effect mutation (by what ever means)?
Does it intelligently / blindly select its target randomly or non-randomly so that like you said
"selection itself" will be "[is] very specific"?
Specific in what way?
Does it select a specific cell, a DNA molecule so that a fish will mutate into an amphibian, an amphibian into a reptile...etc.?
Also, is it specific so that it can randomly / non-randomly mutate itself in order to create its own reproductive system? And thus be selected by Natural Selection to further its survival?
Originally posted by edmc^2
reply to post by MrXYZ
Please stay ON Topic and address my simple question.
If you say NATURE and the FORCES OF NATURE is the CAUSAL FORCE - the Prime Mover of Life NOT Intelligence, does this mean then that there's no INTELLIGENCE in Nature?
If NO Intelligence - does this mean then that NATURE is dumb? And was just lucky to create life by accident?
If by ACCIDENT - would you consider this then .... BLIND CHANCE EVENT?
what say you?
Inductive Fallacy
Premise 1: Having just arrived in Ohio, I saw a white squirrel.
Conclusion: All Ohio Squirrels are white.
Originally posted by MrXYZ
Douglas Adams said it best imo...
It's obviously escaped your notice but nature doesn't operate on blind chance.