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Originally posted by pheonix358
It is interesting to watch the Government drones come out to pat each other on the back and try to manipulate the masses. I also find it enlightening to see which threads the GDs are interested in. It should be obvious that they come out in force when told to and therefore one can determine what subjects the dark side is alarmed about.
This issue always brings them out in full battle array. The name calling and specious arguments are easy to identify. These drones are not stupid. They know that a Supreme Court decision on the issue of 'native born' has no relevance to the issue of 'natural born.' But still, they use it. They use it because many are too lazy to check. But the other side, the so called birthers, are always willing to do the hard work.
To me, this topic is not gray, it is black and white. Obama is not qualified to be POTUS.
What I like about these threads is that it allows me to identify the Government drones and for this reason I will continue to read these threads.
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Originally posted by pheonix358
reply to post by PurpleChiten
When all else fails call the poster names and denigrate them.
Nice avatar, reminds me of Chicken Little!
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Originally posted by Honor93
2 citizen parents are required for natural born status.
Most importantly, Arizona courts are bound by United States Supreme Court precedent, and this precedent fully supports that President Obama is a natural born citizen under the Constitution and thus qualified to hold the office of President. See United States v. Wong Kim Ark (addressing U. S. Const. amend. XIV) ; Ankeny v. Governor of the State of Indiana (addressing the precise issue). Contrary to Plaintiff’s assertion, Minor v. Happersett does not hold otherwise
Obama "became a citizen at birth and is a natural-born citizen,"
President Obama was a United States citizen at the moment of his birth in Hawaii. Since he held citizenship at birth all constitutional qualifications have been met. There is no basis to question the presidents citizenship or qualifications to hold office
The eligibility requirements to be president of the United States are such that the individual must be a "natural born citizen" of the United States and at least thirty-five years of age. U.S. Const. art. II, S1. It is well settled that those born in the United States are considered natural born citizens. See, e.g United States v Ark, 169 U.S 649, 702 (1898)
The Fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution, in the declaration that:
“all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside,”
contemplates two sources of citizenship, and two only: birth and naturalization. Citizenship by naturalization can only be acquired by naturalization under the authority and in the forms of law. But citizenship by birth is established by the mere fact of birth under the circumstances defined in the Constitution. Every person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, becomes at once a citizen of the United States, and needs no naturalization
he was merely a citizen of a foreign government
Originally posted by Honor93
reply to post by LifeInDeath
he was merely a citizen of a foreign government
as a member of the British colonial forces, he was hardly just a citizen of a foreign government or a student as you imply.
how so ?? it is reported that Romney's father was a US citizen when Mitt was born.
Anyway, Obama and Romney's births are the exact same case.
which he has always has been.
If Obama were ineligible,
only if his father never obtained US citizenship prior to Mitts birth, then this argument would have merit.
then Romney would also be ineligible.
Obama was born in Hawaii [so he says], he is a natural [native not natural born] born citizen of the United States.
nope, he would still be just a basic citizen with no special status, just like today.
It doesn't matter if his father was born on mars, he'd still be a natural born citizen of the United States.
this has no bearing on the Obama status
Romney's dad was born in Mexico, but Romney is still a natural born citizen of the United States.
repeat this as many times as the national debt has grown just today and it still doesn't make it true.
It is the EXACT SAME SITUATION whether you like it or not
birthers have been requesting a legitimate record.
What happened to all the birthers saying they would shut up if Obama produced a birth certificate?
Originally posted by Honor93
which he has always has been.
repeat this as many times as the national debt has grown just today and it still doesn't make it true.
the only fair answer is it would be dependent upon when the citizen returned to US soil, established and maintainted residency for the duration specified in the Constitutional requirements section, their allegiance to the US, its people, its Constitution and its founding principles.
Originally posted by Xcalibur254
reply to post by pheonix358
I'll ask a question I have asked a few times in the past and have yet to receive a response to. If someone is born on US soil to two US citizens but due to certain circumstances are raised on foreign soil by non-US citizens are they qualified to be president?
currently, my personal opinion on this matter is irrelevant.
Originally posted by Southern Guardian
Originally posted by Honor93
reply to post by LifeInDeath
he was merely a citizen of a foreign government
as a member of the British colonial forces, he was hardly just a citizen of a foreign government or a student as you imply.
Barack Obama senior did not go to the United States on official business to the government or to the colonial forces, he was a student, this doesn't apply to him. You may have a different intepretation, but this is your personal position on the matter.
Chesters father was a resident alien with paperwork ... Obama Sr, never.
In addition to this we already had one other president before whom was born to one parent whom was not a citizen of the United States, Chester Arthur. His father was Irish Canadian who had only resided in the United States for a year before Chester Arthur was born
Originally posted by ecoparity
reply to post by PurpleChiten
Actually, you're wrong but either don't want to get it or just refuse to.
Being born in America is not enough - that might make you a citizen but still not a "natural born citizen" as defined for the purposes of the constitution when dealing with who can be President. This is clear from the second part which states that only people who were already "citizens" at the time the constitution was adopted could also hold the office.
If you had stepped off the boat 1 day later and become a naturalized citizen, you would not be eligible. That's what it says in black in white and since it hasn't been changed it doesn't matter if it was 1 day later or 1 million - the only non native citizens who were eligible died a few hundred years ago.
You have to be born in the US to two parents who are both citizens, period.
If your take on it was correct there would be no need for anyone to try and change it, something that has been tried numerous times.
You also cannot be a dual citizen, a rule that also affects quite a few other government offices (a rule which has also been ignored now, apparently since we're allowing ineligible persons to hold the highest office).
Originally posted by timetothink
The only direct Supreme Court discussion on point as to the meaning of “natural-born citizen” in Article 2, Section 1 of the Constitution remains Chief Justice Waite’s discussion in Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162 (1874): The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. As WND has reported, according to the standard that both parents must be U.S. citizens at the time of birth, Republican Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida and Republican Gov. Bobby Jindal of Louisiana would not qualify. Both have been discussed as future presidential candidates. Is Mitt Romney a natural-born citizen? Judging by the Happersett decision and most interpretations of the eligibility clause, a president’s parents would only have to be citizens of the U.S. at the time of his or her birth, not natural-born citizens. Therefore, even if George W. Romney’s birth in Mexico disqualified him from being a natural-born citizen, Mitt Romney could be a natural-born citizen, because his father was a citizen when his son was born. Opponents of George W. Romney’s presidential candidacy in 1968 argued that his grandparents had renounced their U.S. citizenship when they went to Mexico, but there is no evidence for that. Nor was it considered necessary for George W. Romney to become naturalized to be a U.S. citizen after he was brought to the United States for the first time when he was 5 years old. Moreover, decades after George W. Romney was brought to the U.S. by his parents, the Nationality Act of 1940, Section 201, 54 Stat. 1137, specifically provided that a child born outside the limits and jurisdiction of the United States is a U.S. citizen, provided the father or mother, or both, at the time of the birth of the child is a U.S. citizen
www.wnd.com...
Romney still passes the strictest test of natural born citizen...he doesn't even need the obama precedent to cheat his way in.....but it is nice to be able to throw it back.
oooooh, name calling first.
Says nobody else but birthers.
i wouldn't hold my breath on that one.
he may verywell get a second term