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There is only one court decision which squarely interprets the "natural born citizen" clause as applied to a candidate for president, which is Ankeny v. Daniels, 916 N.E.2d 678 (Indiana Ct. App. 2009, ). The Ankeny court ruled that the citizenship of President Obama's father is irrelevant: Based upon the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by Wong Kim Ark, we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are "natural born Citizens" for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents.
What is a Natural Born American Citizen? There are only two kinds of citizens: natural born and naturalized. A natural born citizen (NBC) is someone who is a citizen at birth. A naturalized citizen is one who was an alien at birth and later became a citizen. A citizen is one or the other. There is no third class of US citizen. Being born in the US is what gives you US citizenship. The US Supreme Court has never ruled whether a person born abroad to one or two citizen parents is a NBC as it applies to the US Presidency. There are, however, several Supreme Court rulings that say being born on US soil is a NBC for the purposes of the US Presidency.
Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
Just more birther desperation.
Birthers don't die...they just come up with different illogical lies. Now that it is proven that he was born in Hawaii...they move on to the next illogical argument.
Obama will be on all 50 State's ballots....birthers can cry about it all they want....but fortunately logical and intelligent people are in charge and not birthers.
But I wouldn't mind seeing them thrown out of court a few more times....that's always entertaining.
Just more birther desperation.
Originally posted by Southern Guardian
Originally posted by Honor93
reply to post by LifeInDeath
he was merely a citizen of a foreign government
as a member of the British colonial forces, he was hardly just a citizen of a foreign government or a student as you imply.
Barack Obama senior did not go to the United States on official business to the government or to the colonial forces, he was a student, this doesn't apply to him. You may have a different intepretation, but this is your personal position on the matter.
As a "dual citizen," Barack Obama had choices about his citizenship. His father was a Kenyan. His mother was an American. He was born in America. He was a "native born," 14th Amendment American citizen. He was also a citizen of Kenya and a British subject -- he had choices about being a Brit, an American, a Kenyan or combination.
According to the U. S. State department, dual nationals owe allegiance to both the United States and the foreign country.
Originally posted by PurpleChiten
reply to post by AnonymousCitizen
"Natural Born" means just that...born in this country. Doesn't matter if neither of his parents were citizens, he was born in this country, so he is a natural born citizen.
It's really getting way out there in the stratosphere now
Originally posted by Nite_wing
The issue has never really been where Obama was born (and personally I don't think he was born in Hawaii) but we will never know until the State releases the COLB. The issue has always been whether he was a Natural Born Citizen meaning both parents had to be citizens. However this issue continually gets highjacked by the Obama Truth Team Truth Team to rely on the newspaper announcements. Those who have researched this issue know that Hawaii allowed those foreign born to get a birth certificate by affidavit of a relative without the child being born in Hawaii. It was a way for Hawaii to increase their congressional representation after they were made the 57th state.
This thread will be highjacked also by those on the Truth Team to ridicule those who still question the veracity and completeness of Hawaii's release.
Originally posted by Starling
I have skipped all 7 pages after the first.
I don't buy what's posted here.
All I want to know is, those who hold office in the US government, who are in fact dual citizens of USA and ISRAEL, commonly known as NeoCons, what is their status in holding positions in the US government?
I refer to the likes of Joe Lieberman as well as several others who hold/held prominant positions under the two George Bush administrations and were responsible for leading the USA into two extended wars in the name of.......ISRAEL?
What about their status, authority and legitimacy to hold office in US government?
Originally posted by Mizzijr
reply to post by AnonymousCitizen
I used to be into this subject... not so much anymore. He released his birth certificate then some professional photo people dismantled it and called fake upon it.. I honestly don't know what to believe anymore.
But while reading this it made me wonder... what if just maybe.. They plan to expose Obama, making him ineligible for a second term so Romney can go in without any hassle..?
Idk.. S#it it's too late to get Obama out anyway. I don't really see the point anymore lol.
when and where ?? quote please because i don't believe i've done any such thing.
Originally posted by Autumnal
reply to post by Honor93
You are suggesting that every other nation on the planet has more power over our presidential elections than anyone in the US does.
That is bullpucky.
such a blanket statement is completely false and here's several examples of why ...
If a soldier does, so long as they are not part of an invading army (i.e., they are of an allied army or otherwise guests here), their child would be a natural-born citizen.
fyi, diplomatic immunity was common practice NOT law until after 1961.
President Barack Obama asked Pakistan not to prosecute Davis and recognize him as a diplomat, stating, "There's a broader principle at stake that I think we have to uphold."
do we really need to get into the specifics of who can receive DI, especially before it was formally designated ?? [which would be during the time Obama Sr was granted a Visa to study here]
The United States has had a tendency to be generous when granting diplomatic immunity to visiting diplomats because a large number of U.S. diplomats work in host countries less protective of individual rights.
Diplomats and their families have also been known to use diplomatic immunity to avoid prosecution for criminal behavior. For example, in a 1983 case the New York City Police Department suspected a diplomat's son of 15 different rapes. The son was allowed to leave the United States without ever being taken to court because he claimed diplomatic immunity. If diplomatic immunity is used as a shield, the police cannot prosecute, no matter how serious the crime may be.
The ruling: “A child born in the United States, of parent[s] of Chinese descent, who, at the time of of his birth, are subjects of the Emperor of China, but have a permanent domicile and residence in the United States, and are there carrying on business, and are not employed in any diplomatic or official capacity under the Emperor of China, becomes at the time of his birth a citizen of the United States.”