If Kerry is so worried about bringing the troops back home why hasnt he gone and seen them himself? Bush went there to tell them that hold on fellas and stuff. Cause guess what Kerry will not be welcomed by the military and will get mistaken for a Taliban and get shot. Bush is doing the right thing and as long as there is terrorism there will be a war. Even if the war lasts a thousand years fine by me.

[edit on 1-10-2004 by IBM]

Kerry is stupid , he says we have ten active troop divisions and they are strained, worn down and , stretched. I remember we had 18 troop divisions and an extra two hundred thousand as reserve in the bush senior days. What happend to eight of the divisions and the reserves when clinton got elected? He forced them to retire on top of that kerry and clinton democrats kept cutting the military, giving them crappy equipment and forced them to do alot of missions with small numbers and again crappy equipment and leadership. I wouldnt be supprised if a military person shot him and edwards out of fear these things taking place. One other thing i hate is a liberal who cuts military personal and vechicles and later complain they dont have enough soldiers or other stuff to fight the war.

One more thing kerry wants to fire halluburton oil company if he gets elected and does that i bet a horse halluburton will send people to take care of him and his party.

[edit on 2-10-2004 by blacman2k6]

[edit on 2-10-2004 by blacman2k6]

Yea KlinTon really messed up the military. Look at the following figures of military budget from 1989 to 2000. As soon as he took office it dropped:

Year Billions of dollars
1989 303.6
1990 299.3
1991 273.3
1992 298.4
1993 291.1
1994 281.6
1995 272.1
1996 265.8
1997 270.5
1998 268.5
1999 274.9
2000 294.5

While the country was growing, he was shrinking the military!!!

We should shrink his party and shrink cheney

[edit on 2-10-2004 by blacman2k6]

Originally posted by IBM
If Kerry is so worried about bringing the troops back home why hasnt he gone and seen them himself? Bush went there to tell them that hold on fellas and stuff. Cause guess what Kerry will not be welcomed by the military and will get mistaken for a Taliban and get shot. Bush is doing the right thing and as long as there is terrorism there will be a war. Even if the war lasts a thousand years fine by me.

I just printed this one and asked a friend of mine what he thinks; what's the age of the author?

He told me that it's a quite unmature simple logic and way of thinking that could possibly be done by a 9 year old. Ah, well. He studies psychology - they are weired anyway. Uhm, but maybe he was right.

Anyway.
Do you really think that Bushs visit to the troops has any positivie effect for your nation? Hm?
Well, you could take into consideration that a visit from Bush to Iraq or let's take Afghanistan could be considered the same like Osama bin Ladin taking a publicity trip to downtown Manhattan.
It's publicity and nothing else at all. Considering it a valueable move for the troops, oh my...

Just imagine you are a soldier in Iraq, just lost some of your friends, life is hell and Mr. Bush is coming to wish you a nice Thanksgiving, hold a fake turkey for a press photo and hop back home where it is safe.

Yea, cool...


but... I am not saying Kerry is good/better than Bush. His flip-flop attitude isn't any better, but hey, that's typical political.

[edit on 2-10-2004 by shoo]

Originally posted by IBM
If Kerry is so worried about bringing the troops back home why hasnt he gone and seen them himself? Bush went there to tell them that hold on fellas and stuff. Cause guess what Kerry will not be welcomed by the military and will get mistaken for a Taliban and get shot. Bush is doing the right thing and as long as there is terrorism there will be a war. Even if the war lasts a thousand years fine by me.

[edit on 1-10-2004 by IBM]

What is this supposed to mean?

Kerry will "get mistaken for a taliban and get shot"? What are you saying? In what way does Kerry resemble a member of the Taliban? In belief or appearance?

How often does a US senator visit the military in a war? Bush visited because that is his job as CinC. He needs to boost morale. Kerry's responsiblity lies in the senate unless he is elected.

Please avoid betraying your ignorance by giving your posts some thought first.

[edit on 10/2/2004 by Rain King]

Rain King, Kerry will be in bed with China and other terrorists if he gets elected and you know it. Shoo your psychlogist friend needs to get a new degree becuase his evaluation was incorrect. Just because he is a psychologist who was probably taught in some college which spreads this socialist and communism stuff doesnt mean he is better than anyone else. By the way colleges are way too liberal as a side comment. Anyw viay with the topic at hand Bush visted the troops during thanksgiving i think. Troops in war have always have special guests come to support them, why hasnt kerry done such a thing if he is so worried? Your analogy is wrong because Bush is supporting his own troops, not just coming to Iraq for just anything. If osama were to come he would come to support his terrorist cells.

Terrorist cells are Osamas troops and what exactly is Bush doing as support other than showing up, smiling and posing for photos with a fake Thanksgiving turkey?

Sorry, I can understand your position that Kerry doesn't care enough about the troops but all Bush is doing is publicity and not actually helping the soldiers.

Originally posted by shoo
Terrorist cells are Osamas troops and what exactly is Bush doing as support other than showing up, smiling and posing for photos with a fake Thanksgiving turkey?

Sorry, I can understand your position that Kerry doesn't care enough about the troops but all Bush is doing is publicity and not actually helping the soldiers.

If bush is not helping the soldiers why is the military budget so high?

why is he pouring money researching new weapons and ugrades and new kinds of body armor?

If kerry cares for the troops why did he vote against the 87 billion to help them?

Why did kerry vote agaisnt every weapon system we use today?

Why did he vote to Freeze the military budget and stop the new research of weapons?

Simply said:

Kerry - against war. b/c of high costs, has no use, just dead people.

Bush - pro war. Spends more money on it than anybody else before and nowadays, thinks it's needed, doesn't care about dead soldiers as he continues his war mongering machine.

Just think about it. Bush is putting billions into military and his intent is to send them into useless wars.
Kerry does not want wars and logically he tries to shrink the military, reduces costs and...yea...save lifes by it.

All Bush is doing by sponsoring the military is putting another piece of wood into the fire. Keep it burning!

Kerry talked about how he would make the Military stronger in the debate if he became President He has a 20 yr record of making the military weaker. How can anyone look at his senate record concerning military weapons and really think he will make the military stronger.

Does stronger mean to put more money into it or promote weapon development?

But you are right, sure Kerry looks like a fool if he said it but as I said before - Kerry isn't doing an actual in-duty troop support as well as Bush doesn't.

And guys, don't push me into the Kerry-edge now. I joined the thread not as a support of Kerry but to make up ones mind that Bush isn't the Hero he dreamed of. Thanks.

the world has changed. there is no need for massive amount of cold-war style divisions. what needed is a smaller, better trained military with access to new technology and more resources. See the world from clinton's standpoint, America's last great enemy has dissapated and he has a chance now to try and cut the ridiculous spending of the Reagan years on the military and set the budget and deficit straight. After many years in office he finally gets the budget in a surplus from the damage the Reagan and Bush administrations did, then Bush junior comes along, sept 11 comes along and know the US is back to budget deficits and a growing debt that the US can't pay because the govt has no money to spend. Where the hell is the logic in having a budget deficit and cutting taxes?? There's something seriously wrong with the republican party today

thanks,
drfunk

[edit on 3-10-2004 by drfunk]

Originally posted by IBM
If Kerry is so worried about bringing the troops back home why hasnt he gone and seen them himself?

Kerry's got no business going to Iraq to visit the troops. Who do you think he is, the President? No, just a Senator. Moreover, he's in the middle of a presidential race, how would it improve his position to visit the troops when less than half of them don't even vote? I think his best option is to keep telling everyone that he's going to bring them home, but not until he's told everyone that he wants to commit 20k more troops, which he has, in fact, said. That way, he's got everyones vote.

Why is it the liberals dont want the military to be able to vote? Aka AL Gore issues in Fla? Well think about it, the military are so overwhelming pro-Bush...


That should tell you all you need to know but then again if France isnt on board and Michael Moore doesnt agree neither should you right?