Given that it is now the 22nd May 2012 here in Western Australia it seems appropriate to bring up an observation, since the 20th and 21st have now come and gone:

Quick lesson, 360 degree circle (earth), divided by 24 hrs (1 day) = 15 degrees of longitude per hour. That is the basic premise for time zone changes. Now GMT is, for this purpose near London, Greenwich to be precise and time is either +GMT or -GMT. For Example, Perth, Western Australia is 8hrs+ GMT, eg:Midnight 21st London = 8am 22nd Perth.

Now, bear in mind that as a celestial observer (Nautical terminology - not the ET) one may see, for example, an asteroid hit the earth in a moment in "time". Humans would then record this time and date (if any survived) based upon the geographical location of the strike. Most historical records reflect this method of recording.

So, if a prophecy/prediction date is set by the observer of said prophecy/prediction some "time" prior to an expected event, is it reasonable to assume that the time and date given is the geographical location of the intended target of the vision/message and not the observers geographical location?

So, riddle me this:-

21/12/2012 - The date put our there by MSM (and more recently alternative news sources as well) over the past 20 years or so. The Mayan civilization's calender, amongst other civilisations, appears to come full circle on this date and an apparent event will occur on this date. So if at midnight on the 21st December 2012 when the clock ticks over can we here in West Aust sleep easy or do we have to wait until the rest of the planet catches up, likewise if the event occurs at 0001hrs 21st December 2012 Perth time, it is still not the 21st December in many parts of the world. To add to this conundrum Samoa is +13hours GMT and Hawaii is -10hours GMT and the international date line (west) is -12hours GMT (check it out on your computer clock)

So, not counting the international date line, the time difference between Samoa and Hawaii is a "perceived" difference of 24hours - that leaves Zero seconds for "Event" to occur globally on the 21st December 2012.

Remember GMT is the Zero hour and is counted as a single hour so from -13hrs through to +10hrs is 24 hours.
Throw the International date line into the mix and you have 25hrs difference globally.

Would appreciate someone else's take on this.

Feel free to now unleash fellow ATS'ers.

I don't believe the return of God will be foiled by our international date lines.... but my perspective would be the time zone that Jerusalem is located at would be "the one". It's considered the center of the world in the Bible (Ez. 38:12).

If we are talking about a celestial event, then that point in time is fixed. Your time where you are at that particular moment is irrelevant. An event happens when it happens. With regard to the Mayan calender and the "galactic alignment," at the moment the alignment occurs, it occurs for everyone, everywhere. Don't get caught up in man's idea of time.

Of course that does bring up an interesting point regarding the scripture that no man knows the day or the hour.

To the first 2 gentlemen, your answers are valid from a biblical perspective, however, let me play the devils advocate (no pun intended).

Jerusalem is -2hrs GMT which means that in any 24 hour period in Jerusalem there are parts of the planet that are either in the day before or day after. So we come back to the global experience of an event predicted for a single date

Linear "Time", in my opinion, is a human concept and is flawed when one contemplates issues such as this. Previous civilisations, it seems, did not have the same count as us, even though there is plenty of evidence of past Global civilisations (Check out Klaus Dona and his bretheren's ancient archeological findings). Same with modern maths - it has certain flaws:-

Eg: I throw a ball, it goes from point A to point B, but before reaching point B, it must first travel half that distance. Before reaching that half distance it must travel half of that "half" distance, so theoretically the ball must travel through an infinite number of half distances (based on the decimal system) therefore never reaching point B - But it does, and we the observer can verify that - a paradox indeed.

Being a biblical scholar myself, I am reluctant to place dates on anything, as it is written. TPTB seem to be running this little event I suggest - you shall know them by their fruits - and this date/event smells of deception. Satan has had plenty of "time" to set up his final great deception that could deceive even the very elect.

On another note, but related, many abductees experience "missing time" - could this go some way to solving my little enigma? Once again I come back to another personal struggle - Aliens or Demons - are they one in the same - both spirit and physical beings?

satan, in my opinion is setting up the Illuminati for the greatest fall of all - a blood sacrifice to himself so as to usher in his "Christ" and make everyone happy that we have gotten rid of that evil cabal - that appears to be the way he works.

What say you?

Originally posted by jjkenobi
I don't believe the return of God will be foiled by our international date lines.... but my perspective would be the time zone that Jerusalem is located at would be "the one". It's considered the center of the world in the Bible (Ez. 38:12).

100% correct as revealed by God's end time prophets.

sunset Jerusalem time (i.e. 12-1pm EST in the USA) at the exact moment Pentecost begins in Jerusalem, that is "the hour" of the return.

May 27th, 2012 - Pentecost.

In Australia you would be about 6 hours into Pentecost already by this time.

God Bless,