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Originally posted by captainnotsoobvious
reply to post by nenothtu
Like I said, if you pay attention, by claiming there's liberal Libertarians you brought it up... Unless you were using some archaic American definition of liberal, welded onto the extremely modern definition of Libertarian?
So liberal, as defined as conservative, and libertarian as defined as conservative... then yes, Libertarianism runs all the way from conservative to ... conservative...
Originally posted by nenothtu
Originally posted by captainnotsoobvious
reply to post by nenothtu
Like I said, if you pay attention, by claiming there's liberal Libertarians you brought it up... Unless you were using some archaic American definition of liberal, welded onto the extremely modern definition of Libertarian?
So liberal, as defined as conservative, and libertarian as defined as conservative... then yes, Libertarianism runs all the way from conservative to ... conservative...
If you'd be so kind as to underline where I brought European political definitions into a discussion of American politics, I'd be ever so grateful. If you can't, but would prefer that I do so for your introduction of the external subject matter, well, we can do it that way instead.
Originally posted by nenothtu
Libertarians span the same spectrum as Authoritarians - from the far "liberal" to the far"conservative". They just value liberty over authority.
Originally posted by captainnotsoobvious
reply to post by Vandettas
And like the rest of your delusions, you cannot prove it or even defend it, besides simply saying, it's true.
People are often lazy, and many are ill informed, but they are not, en masse, controlled by the MSM.
Sorry no. My links prove that a majority of Americans, give or take, don't trust the MSM
They follow a universal banker-oriented script, and anyone who becomes president has to follow it, or he/she will never get in office, will hardly be mentioned in the media, newspapers, on the internet; subject to being a victim of fraud, and anything else bad.
Originally posted by captainnotsoobvious
reply to post by Vandettas
Those polls are much more proof than you've presented.
You also ask, and I am not surprised you don't understand this, really, but you ask if the polls represent 100% of the population of America.
This shows, again, a gross ignorance of reality.
Polls, by their very nature, do not EVER attempt to measure an entire population, but instead are designed to collect a statistically significant sample of people in a desired demographic.
Sorry no. My links prove that a majority of Americans, give or take, don't trust the MSM. Which shows that your paranoid delusion that the MSM is controlling everyone's opinion is wrong.
If you want to prove that you are justified in your "belief" then present evidence for it...
People also are increasingly turning off their TV as a news source and relying on the internet. The MSM has very little in the way of control over the information on the internet.
So, yeah, unless you have proof the whole world is conspiring against you, and the MSM is brainwashing everyone into mindless sheeple, you're just spouting paranoid delusions.
Originally posted by Vandettas
Originally posted by captainnotsoobvious
reply to post by Vandettas
Those polls are much more proof than you've presented.
In what way?
It could be said that those links show the same amount of what you call "proof" as mine does.
You also ask, and I am not surprised you don't understand this, really, but you ask if the polls represent 100% of the population of America.
This shows, again, a gross ignorance of reality.
No I didn't, this is what I said :
"Please show me the "internet polls" & "electric polls" that show a distrust in the media by the people. One that you know hasn't been manipulated or tampered with with a 100% certainty. Oh thats right, you can't."
So you show a gross ignorance of reality. Also, your still in putting words in my mouth.
Polls, by their very nature, do not EVER attempt to measure an entire population, but instead are designed to collect a statistically significant sample of people in a desired demographic.
Yet you claim they do from this :
Sorry no. My links prove that a majority of Americans, give or take, don't trust the MSM. Which shows that your paranoid delusion that the MSM is controlling everyone's opinion is wrong.
And then there's this :
If you want to prove that you are justified in your "belief" then present evidence for it...
I already did. Its actually all around. Take a look. My "belief" is that these politicians are getting paid off
and told what to do. If bailing out big banks that are the very reason why this economy is failing,
and politicians are doing absolutely NOTHING about it, It should make you wonder; are they working together?...Unless you know of course, its just paranoia.
People also are increasingly turning off their TV as a news source and relying on the internet. The MSM has very little in the way of control over the information on the internet.
Proof?
So, yeah, unless you have proof the whole world is conspiring against you, and the MSM is brainwashing everyone into mindless sheeple, you're just spouting paranoid delusions.
Don't have to. I never said any of that. Again, assuming, and making things up that I never said. No offense, put your making yourself look a little foolish now.
edit on 10-5-2012 by Vandettas because: (no reason given)
So a majority of Americans voted on that poll huh?
Originally posted by captainnotsoobvious
Originally posted by nenothtu
If you'd be so kind as to underline where I brought European political definitions into a discussion of American politics, I'd be ever so grateful. If you can't, but would prefer that I do so for your introduction of the external subject matter, well, we can do it that way instead.
Here you go:
Originally posted by nenothtu
Libertarians span the same spectrum as Authoritarians - from the far "liberal" to the far"conservative". They just value liberty over authority.
I've explained it to you now repeatedly. And it should be noted, despite your withering and false confusion about my use of the word "liberal" you yourself use it as the antithesis of "conservative". Maybe if you'd used Progressive then...
What's also clear is that you're claiming some "liberal" Libertarians exist... Which is ONLY true if you include the primary definition of Libertarian, not the minority, US-only definition.
In other words, by bringing up liberal libertarians, you brought up the European definition.
Or you don't know what you're talking about?
Originally posted by nenothtu
Originally posted by captainnotsoobvious
Originally posted by nenothtu
If you'd be so kind as to underline where I brought European political definitions into a discussion of American politics, I'd be ever so grateful. If you can't, but would prefer that I do so for your introduction of the external subject matter, well, we can do it that way instead.
Here you go:
Originally posted by nenothtu
Libertarians span the same spectrum as Authoritarians - from the far "liberal" to the far"conservative". They just value liberty over authority.
I missed the European definition there - probably because you've failed to underline it. I was discussing US politics, not European. The very notion of valuing liberty over authority is unEuropean, so I can't find a European political definition in there anywhere.
I've explained it to you now repeatedly. And it should be noted, despite your withering and false confusion about my use of the word "liberal" you yourself use it as the antithesis of "conservative". Maybe if you'd used Progressive then...
Absolutely not. It's not my problem if your mind is only one dimensional. To help you out, though, if you have a dollar and you're "liberal" with it, you won't have it long. If you have a dollar and you're "conservative" with it, you may have it for several days. Why is it so difficult for you to understand "liberal" as a counter point to "conservative"?
Now, the concept extends beyond mere economic considerations, but in keeping with the K.I.S.S. principle, I prefer not to tax your mind too hard on your first day in class.
What's also clear is that you're claiming some "liberal" Libertarians exist... Which is ONLY true if you include the primary definition of Libertarian, not the minority, US-only definition.
Of course liberal Libertarians exist - there is nothing inherent in liberalism that precludes a love for liberty over a distaste for authority! Liberals don't require an authority to force them to be liberal!
In other words, by bringing up liberal libertarians, you brought up the European definition.
Or you don't know what you're talking about?
Just because I don't know what YOU are talking about doesn't mean I don't know what *I* am talking about. I'm not a European, nor do I have any aspirations or pretensions to be. Your definitions, for the umpteenth time, do not obtain here. They are far too unidimensional.
edit on 2012/5/10 by nenothtu because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by nenothtu Libertarians span the same spectrum as Authoritarians - from thefar "liberal" to the far"conservative". They just value liberty over authority.
Make # up based on your instinct, don't bake it up with data, refuse to engage with reality, assume everyone is out to get you... ignore anything that contradicts your beliefs and embrace ignorance that makes you feel like you've got it all figured out...
Originally posted by captainnotsoobvious
I'm assuming you're just trolling now... I didn't use the underline function, but I quoted your exact phrase, and explained it to you, repeatedly...
so you're either an idiot, or a troll...
I see hat you're now trying to pretend you meant "far liberal" conservatives or some such other nonsense...
So yeah, you're trolling... weak.
If you want to try and pretend you didn't claim there were liberal libertarians, fine, but it's clear as day that you did.