US should return stolen land to Indian tribes, says United Nations

Then they'll be turning over the whole United States excluding Hawaii & Alaska.

There REALLY IS a "silver lining" to this UN proposal...

The 55.7 million acres that has already been returned to Native Americans has, more than adequately, shown that returning acreage to them only serves to encourage poverty and discrimination.
Because of that, I propose:

1) That the US should withdraw from UN membership, and use that funding as a means repay Native Americans for the "stolen" land that has not been returned to the them. We could use the same rate per square mile that we used to purchase Manhattan from the Lenape Indians. If I remember correctly, approx. $24 purchased the entire island. That would have been just a little more than $1 per square mile.

2) Deed the United Nations building to our Native Americans. It could then be used as a source of income by turning it into a casino.

Benefits:
1) Native Americans would gain another source of income.

2) Non Native Americans would have a clear conscience.

3) The United States would save hundreds of millions of dollars every year.

4) The United States would no longer need to tolerate the distraction that IS the United Nations.

5) The United Nations could concentrate on problems, in other countries, with a stoked ego knowing that they REALLY DID help ALL Americans.

There is no down side to this proposal!

See ya,
Milt

Originally posted by chrismicha77
Then they'll be turning over the whole United States excluding Hawaii & Alaska.

Oh but dont forget the original Hawaiian indigenous people and the Alaskan Inuits

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Them we would have to figure out where they really came from

Originally posted by Juggernog

Originally posted by chrismicha77
Then they'll be turning over the whole United States excluding Hawaii & Alaska.

Oh but dont forget the original Hawaiian indigenous people and the Alaskan Inuits

Exactly, that's a whole different animal there.

First off, I would like to recognize Sonny1 and Wrabbit2000 for keeping this thread un-derailed.
Thank you.

I believe this is a piece of the puzzle on why UN are pressuring the U.S. govt

Cobell Settlement
The Cobell Settlement is a $3.4 Bln lawsuit/settlement. This lawsuit was lead by Eloise Cobell, a member & treasurer of the Blackfeet tribe from Montana. Basically the U.S. govt legally has to do this. Plus a judge has already made it official, ruling. . . Here's more about it.

Cobell claimed in her suit that the federal government failed to provide a historical account for Individual Indian Money accounts, money the feds held in trust for Native American landowners in exchange for leasing tribal land. The government either mismanaged the deposits in those accounts or failed altogether to deposit money – royalties for oil, gas, grazing and other leases – owed to tribal members, Cobell said.

The settlement also includes $1.9 billion for the Department of Interior to purchase checkerboard land and return it to tribes as well as up to $60 million for scholarships.

“The Obama administration is continuing to move forward on its agenda to honorably and responsibly address long-standing injustices in Indian Country,” said Interior Secretary Ken Salazar in a statement.

Rez News

This is not over who had their land stolen. This is a legal issue.

People outside the US do not realize that it is the average Caucasian that is discriminated against,
As a Caucasian you can be more qualified for a job but loose it to a minority do to hiring quotas
As a Caucasian, you pay more in taxes
When bidding on contract you may have a lower bid but he job could go to minorities.
Here are programs available to American Indians that are not available to Caucasians
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10.221 Tribal Colleges Education Equity Grants
10.222 Tribal Colleges Endowment Program
10.228 Alaska Native Serving and Native Hawaiian Serving Institutions Education Grants
10.421 Indian Tribes and Tribal Corporation Loans
10.567 Food Distribution Program on Indian Reservations
11.801 Native American Program
14.515 Alaska Native/Native Hawaiian Institutions Assisting Communities
14.519 Tribal Colleges and Universities Program
14.862 Indian Community Development Block Grant Program
14.865 Public and Indian Housing_Indian Loan Guarantee Program
14.867 Indian Housing Block Grants
14.869 Title VI Federal Guarantees for Financing Tribal Housing Activities
15.020 Aid To Tribal Governments
15.021 Consolidated Tribal Government Program
15.022 Tribal Self-Governance
15.024 Indian Self-Determination Contract Support
15.025 Services to Indian Children, Elderly and Families
15.026 Indian Adult Education
15.027 Assistance to Tribally Controlled Community Colleges and Universities
15.028 Tribally Controlled Community College Endowments
15.029 Tribal Courts
15.030 Indian Law Enforcement
15.031 Indian Community Fire Protection
15.032 Indian Economic Development
15.033 Road Maintenance_Indian Roads
15.034 Agriculture on Indian Lands
15.035 Forestry on Indian Lands
15.036 Indian Rights Protection
15.037 Water Resources on Indian Lands
15.038 Minerals and Mining on Indian Lands
15.039 Fish, Wildlife, and Parks Programs on Indian Lands
15.040 Real Estate Programs_Indian Lands
15.041 Environmental Management_Indian Programs
15.042 Indian School Equalization Program
15.043 Indian Child and Family Education
15.044 Indian Schools_Student Transportation
15.045 Assistance for Indian Children with Severe Disabilities
15.046 Administrative Cost Grants for Indian Schools
15.047 Indian Education Facilities, Operations, and Maintenance
15.048 Bureau of Indian Affairs Facilities_Operations and Maintenance
15.049 Irrigation Operations and Maintenance on Indian Lands
15.050 Unresolved Indian Hunting and Fishing Rights
15.051 Endangered Species on Indian Lands
15.052 Litigation Support for Indian Rights
15.053 Attorney Fees_Indian Rights
15.055 Alaskan Indian Allotments and Subsistence Preference_Alaska National Interest Lands Conservation act
15.057 Navajo-Hopi Indian Settlement Program
15.058 Indian Post Secondary Schools
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15.059 Indian Graduate Student Scholarships
15.060 Indian Vocational Training_United Tribes Technical College
15.061 Indian Job Placement_United Sioux Tribes Development Corporation
15.062 Replacement and Repair of Indian Schools
15.063 Improvement and Repair of Indian Detention Facilities
15.064 Structural Fire Protection_Bureau of Indian Affairs Facilities
15.065 Safety of Dams on Indian Lands
15.108 Indian Employment Assistance
15.113 Indian Social Services_Welfare Assistance
15.114 Indian Education_Higher Education Grant Program
15.124 Indian Loans_Economic Development
15.130 Indian Education_Assistance to Schools
15.141 Indian Housing Assistance
15.144 Indian Child Welfare Act_Title II Grants
15.146 Ironworker Training Program
15.222 Cooperative Inspection Agreements with States and Tribes
15.850 Indian Arts and Crafts Development
15.922 Native American Graves Protection and Repatriation Act
16.308 Indian Country Investigations
16.583 Children's Justice Act Partnerships for Indian Communities
16.587 Violence Against Women Discretionary Grants for Indian Tribal Governments
16.596 Correctional Grant Program for Indian Tribes
16.608 Tribal Court Assistance Program
16.616 Indian Country Alcohol and Drug Prevention
16.731 Tribal Youth Program

www.educationmoney.com...

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16.731 Tribal Youth Program

17.254 Welfare-to-Work Grants to Federally Recognized Tribes and Alaska Natives
17.265 Native American Employment and Training
30.009 Employment Discrimination Project Contracts_Indian Tribes
64.126 Native American Veteran Direct Loan Program
66.715 Childhood Blood-Lead Screening and Lead Awareness (Educational) Outreach for Indian Tribes
66.812 Hazardous Waste Management Grants for Tribes
66.926 Indian Environmental General Assistance Program
84.060 Indian Education_Grants to Local Educational Agencies
84.101 Vocational Education_Indians Set-aside
84.245 Tribally Controlled Postsecondary Vocational and Technical Institutions
84.250 Rehabilitation Services_American Indians with Disabilities
84.258 Even Start_Indian Tribes and Tribal Organizations
84.259 Native Hawaiian Vocational Education
84.356 Alaska Native Educational Programs
84.362 Native Hawaiian Education
93.047 Special Programs for the Aging_Title VI, Part A, Grants to Indian Tribes_Part B, Grants to Native hawaiians
93.052 National Family Caregiver Support
93.123 Health Professions Pregraduate Scholarship Program for Indians
93.164 Indian Health Service Educational Loan Repayment
93.193 Urban Indian Health Services
93.202 Capacity Building Among American Indian Tribes
93.210 Tribal Self-Governance Demonstration Program: Planning and Negotiation Cooperative Agreements and IS Compacts
93.219 Matching Grants for Health Professions Scholarships to Indian Tribes
93.228 Indian Health Service_Health Management Development Program
93.237 Special Diabetes Program for Indians_Diabetes Prevention and Treatment Projects
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93.284 Injury Prevention Program for American Indians and Alaskan Natives_Cooperative Agreements
93.441 Indian Self-Determination
93.581 Improving the Capability of Indian Tribal Governments to Regulate Environmental Quality
93.582 Mitigation of Environmental Impacts to Indian Lands Due to Department of Defense Activities
93.587 Promote the Survival and Continuing Vitality of Native American Languages
93.594 Tribal Work Grants
93.612 Native American Programs
93.671 Family Violence Prevention and Services/Grants for Battered Women's Shelters_Grants to States and Idian Tribes
93.932 Native Hawaiian Health Systems
93.933 Demonstration Projects for Indian Health
93.954 Tribal Recruitment and Retention of Health Professionals into Indian Health Programs
93.970 Health Professions Recruitment Program for Indians
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93.971 Health Professions Preparatory Scholarship Program for Indians
93.972 Health Professions Scholarship Program

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Uscapacion



The dual elements in conveyance of res mancipi created circumstances where physical possession could be effected, while slovenly performance of the mancipation had created a "vice of the title" or title defect. A mechanism called "uscapacion" (usucapio "taking by use") could be applied to cure the defect and resolve disputes of actual and technical right; or "equitable" and "legal" title. In order to have the benefit of usucapion, it was necessary that actual adverse possession or prescription was begun in good faith, with belief on the part of the possessor that he was lawfully acquiring the property. Basically, the rule of the actio Publiciana stated that things that had been uninterruptedly possessed for a certain period became the property of the possessor, usually by two years at the most. (Longa possessio parit jus possidendi, et tollit actionem vero domino. = Long possession produces the right of possession, and takes away from the true owner his action. Co. Litt. 110.)

Under old Roman law, ownership or proprietary rights were distributed between rights Quiritarian (iure Quiritium or legal title) and Bonitarian (equitable or possessory in bonis holding.) Until fused by Justinian reform, Roman Civil Law and Roman Equity (remedies which had their source in the Roman Praetor's Edict,) were separately administered by the same court. Through the exceptio rei venditae et traditae, the magistrate could refuse to grant the "legal" owner those Real Actions (vindicatio,) and pleas under Law that would allow him to recover property that belonged in equity (possession) to another. This could be used to give an immediate right of property to the person who had acquired a Res Mancipi by mere delivery, without waiting for the ripening of usucapion.



JUS DUPLICATUM, property, title. When a man has the possession as well as the property of anything, he is said to have a double right, jus duplicatum. Bract. 1. 4, tr. 4, c. 4 2 Bl. Com. 199. (see allodial.)

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
the debate many of us were passionate about was the UN and their unmitigated gall to force their way into our internal affairs.

There's another country I know of that LOVES to stick it's nose into other countries business.....whats the name of it again, let me see..........oh thats right it's America.

Pot calling Kettle black? I think so.

As far as I am concerned, the Americans stole the land off the natives and they are entitled to some back, instead of BS arguments that attempt to make Americans look like they didn't play a major role in the theft of a nation from a people.

Bloody disgusting behavior on the part of the Yanks if you ask me. Stop making excuses for decimating an entire people AND BLOODY FIX IT.

www.blurtit.com...

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The destruction and miseries caused by World War II, forced the world to think, once more, of forming a peace keeping organization on the pattern of the League of Nations, which was formed after World War I (1914-1919) and was dissolved by the beginning of World War II (1939). The war had bewildered everyone by its sheer, ruthlessness and it was feared that another such conflict in future might eliminate human civilization altogether.

The name "United Nations" was devised by the then U.S president Franklin D. Roosevelt, and was first used in the declaration by the United Nations on January1, 1942.

To set up a world organization for the prevention of future wars a meeting between Franklin D. Roosevelt of U.S.A, and Sir Winston Churchill, Britain prime minister was held in August 1941. As a result on August 14, 1941 the Atlantic Charter was issued.

The United Nations officially came into existence in October 1945, when the charter had been ratified by China, France, USSR, and UK and by a majority of other signatories. October 24 is now universally declared as United Nations day.

The main purposes of the United Nations are to maintain international peace and security, to develop friendly relations among nations.

reply to post by timetothink


Every nation is a sovereign nation, why should America be exempt from the UN when America itself was influential in the creation of the UN and has always supported its decisions, but oh no, as soon as the tables are turned on 'the land of the free' you guys cry out against it. Hypocritical much?

reply to post by Dionisius


Many Americans like to see their country as being akin to the Pearly Gates, all godlike and such and how DARE anyone try to tell the American Gods what to do no matter how much they are prepared to do the same to everyone else.

It's, quite frankly, a disgrace.

Originally posted by Kryties

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
the debate many of us were passionate about was the UN and their unmitigated gall to force their way into our internal affairs.

There's another country I know of that LOVES to stick it's nose into other countries business.....whats the name of it again, let me see..........oh thats right it's America.

Pot calling Kettle black? I think so.

As far as I am concerned, the Americans stole the land off the natives and they are entitled to some back, instead of BS arguments that attempt to make Americans look like they didn't play a major role in the theft of a nation from a people.

Bloody disgusting behavior on the part of the Yanks if you ask me. Stop making excuses for decimating an entire people AND BLOODY FIX IT.

pot and the black kettle

www.wsws.org...

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Genocide in Australia

Report details crimes against Aborigines

By Brett Stone
7 September 1999

The genocidal practices perpetrated against Australian Aborigines were the outcome of policies adopted and implemented by all Australian governments from British settlement in 1788 until the present. A people who had virtually no contact with the outside world, were suddenly confronted with a hostile and alien force. Aborigines were forced out of their traditional homes, hunted like wild animals, poisoned or shot, and confined to the harshest and most desolate climes. The effect of British settlement upon these people led to near extinction within 120 years.

The Australian Institute of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Studies has published a report detailing this history. Entitled Genocide in Australia, it was written by Professor Colin Tatz, director of the Centre for Comparative Genocide Studies at Sydney's Macquarie University.

The report's timing is significant. Its release coincided with the first of the “stolen generations” legal actions brought against the Commonwealth and State governments by Aborigines who were forcibly removed from their families. Lorna Cubillo and Peter Gunner are seeking compensation from the Commonwealth government for injuries received after they were taken from their families in the 1940s and 1950s. Tatz will provide testimony on behalf of the plaintiffs, and thousands of such actions could be undertaken in the future.

The legal guideline for Tatz's study is Article II (a) to (e) of the United Nations Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide of 1948:

In the present convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

(a) Killing members of the group;

(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;

(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;

(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;

(e) Forcibly removing children of the group to another group

reply to post by redneck13


You missed the bit where we, as a nation, said SORRY. We are doing our utmost to right the wrongs that our forefathers did to Australian Aboriginals - unlike the US which just makes excuse after excuse to excuse justify their behaviour and lack of accountability.

Sorry to say but, yet again, you are completely wrong. Nice try though.

Peruse these links if you don't believe me (sorry that I can defeat your nonsense with facts but ...well...tough!):

australia.gov.au... - Sorry Day: Stolen Generations.

en.wikipedia.org... - National Day of Healing

Precisely what have the Americans done except treat their natives like garbage then refuse to give them back any land that was stolen from them?

See, we admit we did the wrong thing and are doing our best to right those wrongs. Unlike America.

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www.australianexplorer.com...

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50,000 BC The first settlers are thought to have arrived around 50,000 years ago. This would have most likely been at a time when the sea levels were low, the land was more humid and animals larger.

Although much of Australia became populated, the central dry areas didn't attract settlers until around 25,000 years ago. The population grew proportionately quicker around 10,000 years ago as the climate improved.

At the time of British settlement at Sydney Cove it is estimated that 300,000 aboriginal people, speaking around 250 languages inhabited Australia.

On arrival, finding no obvious political structure, the Europeans took the land as their own. The Indigenous people were driven out of their homes and many killed. Various new European diseases spread rapidly amongst the indigenous people, killing many. The introduction of feral and domestic animals contributed to the destruction of natural habitats.

During the early part of the 20th century legislation's were passed to segregate and protect Aboriginals. This involved restrictions on where they could live and work and families being broken up.

After World War II, assimilation became the governments aim. All rights were taken away from the Aboriginals and attempts made to 'Europeanise' them.

During the 1960's the legislation was reviewed and the Federal Government passed legislation for all Aboriginals to be given citizen status. However, it wasn't until 1972 that the indigenous people were given back limited rights to their own land. The situation has been steadily improving for Australia's Indigenous people, although many feel more needs to be done.

reply to post by Kryties


Ya see, you are about a 100 years behind us when it comes to recifying the problem mate, goday

reply to post by redneck13


A lot has happened and been given back to the Aboriginals since then, not including officially saying Sorry and mandating an official Day of Healing every year.

The Americans, on the other hand, think that by giving some desert back to their natives that makes everything OK, so the rest of the world should just shut up and do what America tells it to do - just so long as nobody DARES tell America what to do.

Get Stuffed. We live in a GLOBAL world now, borders are nothing more than political battle lines. America needs to learn to integrate or sod off and fade away while the rest of us do (which seems to be what you are doing....so thanks for that I guess.....).

reply to post by Kryties

There's another country I know of that LOVES to stick it's nose into other countries business.....whats the name of it again, let me see..........oh thats right it's America.

And now you feel it's your duty to stick your nose in our business. Only an idiot wouldn't see the hypocrisy of your doing so.

You should concern yourself with your own indigenous people. I know they have worse problems than ours do!

See ya,
Milt

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The Americans, on the other hand, think that by giving some desert back to their natives that makes everything OK, so the rest of the world should just shut up and do what America tells it to do - just so long as nobody DARES tell America what to do.

That statement makes it very obvious that you haven't got a clue as to what you're talking about.

See ya,
Milt