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How to properly handle Somali pirates

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posted on Apr, 29 2012 @ 04:02 PM
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source en.wikipedia.org...

Sorry the alignment does not hold on the cut and paste.

November
Image Flag (owner) Name (class) Crew (cargo) Status Date of attack Coordinates
Date of release Ransom demanded
Taiwan MV Chin Yi Wen
(Fishing vessel) 28 sailors
() Ship recovered by crew: 3 sailors injured, pirates thrown overboard about 2011-11-02 unknown
n/a
The vessel was captured by pirates off the east coast of Africa and took control of the vessel. The crew, consisted of several Vietnamese war veterans, was kept hostage but able to fight back throwing the pirates into the ocean and recovering the vessel.[44]




posted on Apr, 29 2012 @ 04:08 PM
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This would make an awesome Jackie Chan Scene.



posted on Apr, 29 2012 @ 04:11 PM
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Sink their ships in self defence before they get near enough to attack,simply begin makeing it to dangerous to do,or hire anti-pirate pirates,ha ha ha,arent there American contractors who are willing to do this job??



posted on Apr, 29 2012 @ 04:12 PM
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The crew, consisted of several Vietnamese war veterans, was kept hostage but able to fight back throwing the pirates into the ocean and recovering the vessel.[44]





Sweetness...


There should be a new rule - and I'd think some Insurance companies would support it:

To enter Somalian waters you must abide by the following:

2 .50 cals with an abundance of ammo
2 RPGs - any model will work
10 fully automatic rifles
Flash bang grenades
Everyone on board is at least small fire arms qualified
No women
Safe Room
Sat Comm






posted on Apr, 29 2012 @ 04:50 PM
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with the possible exception of mayabong [don't know if he approves]

you are all displaying your IGNORANCE


You are being lied to about pirates:
Some are clearly just gangsters. But others are trying to stop illegal dumping and trawling.

Who imagined that in 2009, the world's governments would be declaring a new War on Pirates? As you read this, the British Royal Navy – backed by the ships of more than two dozen nations, from the US to China – is sailing into Somalian waters to take on men we still picture as parrot-on-the-shoulder pantomime villains. They will soon be fighting Somalian ships and even chasing the pirates onto land, into one of the most broken countries on earth. But behind the arrr-me-hearties oddness of this tale, there is an untold scandal. The people our governments are labelling as "one of the great menaces of our times" have an extraordinary story to tell – and some justice on their side.

A United Nations' report released in 2005 says nuclear and hazardous wastes dumped on Somalia's shores had been scattered by the Asian tsunami and are infecting Somalis in coastal areas.

Yes: nuclear waste. One day mysterious European ships started appearing off the coast of Somalia, dumping vast barrels into the ocean. The coastal population began to sicken. At first they suffered strange rashes, nausea and malformed babies. Then, after the 2005 tsunami, hundreds of the dumped and leaking barrels washed up on shore. People began to suffer from radiation sickness, and more than 300 died.

Ahmedou Ould-Abdallah, the UN envoy to Somalia, tells me: "Somebody is dumping nuclear material here. There is also lead, and heavy metals such as cadmium and mercury – you name it." Much of it can be traced back to European hospitals and factories, who seem to be passing it on to the Italian mafia to "dispose" of cheaply. When I asked Mr Ould-Abdallah what European governments were doing about it, he said with a sigh: "Nothing. There has been no clean-up, no compensation, and no prevention."

At the same time, other European ships have been looting Somalia's seas of their greatest resource: seafood. We have destroyed our own fish stocks by overexploitation – and now we have moved on to theirs. More than $300m-worth of tuna, shrimp, and lobster are being stolen every year by illegal trawlers. The local fishermen are now starving. Mohammed Hussein, a fisherman in the town of Marka 100km south of Mogadishu, told Reuters: "If nothing is done, there soon won't be much fish left in our coastal waters."

This is the context in which the "pirates" have emerged. Somalian fishermen took speedboats to try to dissuade the dumpers and trawlers, or at least levy a "tax" on them. They call themselves the Volunteer Coastguard of Somalia – and ordinary Somalis agree. The independent Somalian news site WardheerNews found 70 per cent "strongly supported the piracy as a form of national defence".

No, this doesn't make hostage-taking justifiable, and yes, some are clearly just gangsters – especially those who have held up World Food Programme supplies. But in a telephone interview, one of the pirate leaders, Sugule Ali: "We don't consider ourselves sea bandits. We consider sea bandits [to be] those who illegally fish and dump in our seas." William Scott would understand.

Did we expect starving Somalians to stand passively on their beaches, paddling in our toxic waste, and watch us snatch their fish to eat in restaurants in London and Paris and Rome? We won't act on those crimes – the only sane solution to this problem – but when some of the fishermen responded by disrupting the transit-corridor for 20 per cent of the world's oil supply, we swiftly send in the gunboats.

current.com...
current.com...://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/johann-hari/johann-hari-you-are-being-lied-to-about-pirates-1225817.html

your ignorance is now denied
so stop spreading it



posted on Apr, 29 2012 @ 04:59 PM
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So that gives them the right to do this to innocent people that had nothing to do with what they claim was done?
Murdering innocent people that were on a pleasure retirement cruise in the yacht that was purchased with their own money.

whos the ignorant one now?

Link


A Somali man was convicted of piracy on Friday for his role as a hostage negotiator in the hijacking of a German merchant vessel and U.S. yacht. The four Americans aboard the yacht were shot to death by pirates, and the crew on the other vessel was tortured to get a higher ransom. Read more here: The yacht owners, Jean and Scott Adam of Marina del Rey, Calif., along with friends Bob Riggle and Phyllis Macay of Seattle, were the first U.S. citizens killed in a wave of pirate attacks that have plagued the Gulf of Aden and Indian Ocean despite a regular patrol of international warships.

Read more here: www.thenewstribune.com...=cpy

edit on 29-4-2012 by Juggernog because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 29 2012 @ 05:10 PM
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whos the ignorant one know?


Tone it down champ...btw - love the avatar. Lvl 33 single player.





That may have validated the first few episodes, but now it's just pure terrorism/big business.





posted on Apr, 29 2012 @ 05:12 PM
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If europeans stopped traveling there dumping waste and disrupting Somalia resources wont be a problem plain & simple.These european people create the cause and cry when there is a effect.If someone dumped trash in your yard and stole your newspaper everyday.How long will you sit there and take it?They aren't pirates they are defending their land and resources the way they know how.If Somalis got on a # and dumped their country waste in britian.Would the britian army be pirates just wondering?



posted on Apr, 29 2012 @ 05:16 PM
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Originally posted by DerepentLEstranger
with the possible exception of mayabong [don't know if he approves]

you are all displaying your IGNORANCE


You are being lied to about pirates:
Some are clearly just gangsters. But others are trying to stop illegal dumping and trawling.

Who imagined that in 2009, the world's governments would be declaring a new War on Pirates? As you read this, the British Royal Navy – backed by the ships of more than two dozen nations, from the US to China – is sailing into Somalian waters to take on men we still picture as parrot-on-the-shoulder pantomime villains. They will soon be fighting Somalian ships and even chasing the pirates onto land, into one of the most broken countries on earth. But behind the arrr-me-hearties oddness of this tale, there is an untold scandal. The people our governments are labelling as "one of the great menaces of our times" have an extraordinary story to tell – and some justice on their side.

A United Nations' report released in 2005 says nuclear and hazardous wastes dumped on Somalia's shores had been scattered by the Asian tsunami and are infecting Somalis in coastal areas.

Yes: nuclear waste. One day mysterious European ships started appearing off the coast of Somalia, dumping vast barrels into the ocean. The coastal population began to sicken. At first they suffered strange rashes, nausea and malformed babies. Then, after the 2005 tsunami, hundreds of the dumped and leaking barrels washed up on shore. People began to suffer from radiation sickness, and more than 300 died.

Ahmedou Ould-Abdallah, the UN envoy to Somalia, tells me: "Somebody is dumping nuclear material here. There is also lead, and heavy metals such as cadmium and mercury – you name it." Much of it can be traced back to European hospitals and factories, who seem to be passing it on to the Italian mafia to "dispose" of cheaply. When I asked Mr Ould-Abdallah what European governments were doing about it, he said with a sigh: "Nothing. There has been no clean-up, no compensation, and no prevention."

At the same time, other European ships have been looting Somalia's seas of their greatest resource: seafood. We have destroyed our own fish stocks by overexploitation – and now we have moved on to theirs. More than $300m-worth of tuna, shrimp, and lobster are being stolen every year by illegal trawlers. The local fishermen are now starving. Mohammed Hussein, a fisherman in the town of Marka 100km south of Mogadishu, told Reuters: "If nothing is done, there soon won't be much fish left in our coastal waters."

This is the context in which the "pirates" have emerged. Somalian fishermen took speedboats to try to dissuade the dumpers and trawlers, or at least levy a "tax" on them. They call themselves the Volunteer Coastguard of Somalia – and ordinary Somalis agree. The independent Somalian news site WardheerNews found 70 per cent "strongly supported the piracy as a form of national defence".

No, this doesn't make hostage-taking justifiable, and yes, some are clearly just gangsters – especially those who have held up World Food Programme supplies. But in a telephone interview, one of the pirate leaders, Sugule Ali: "We don't consider ourselves sea bandits. We consider sea bandits [to be] those who illegally fish and dump in our seas." William Scott would understand.

Did we expect starving Somalians to stand passively on their beaches, paddling in our toxic waste, and watch us snatch their fish to eat in restaurants in London and Paris and Rome? We won't act on those crimes – the only sane solution to this problem – but when some of the fishermen responded by disrupting the transit-corridor for 20 per cent of the world's oil supply, we swiftly send in the gunboats.

current.com...
current.com...://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/johann-hari/johann-hari-you-are-being-lied-to-about-pirates-1225817.html

your ignorance is now denied
so stop spreading it



didnt see your post sir you already posted whats really going on....



posted on Apr, 29 2012 @ 05:41 PM
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Originally posted by Juggernog
reply to post by DerepentLEstranger
 


So that gives them the right to do this to innocent people that had nothing to do with what they claim was done?
Murdering innocent people that were on a pleasure retirement cruise in the yacht that was purchased with their own money.

whos the ignorant one now?

Link


A Somali man was convicted of piracy on Friday for his role as a hostage negotiator in the hijacking of a German merchant vessel and U.S. yacht. The four Americans aboard the yacht were shot to death by pirates, and the crew on the other vessel was tortured to get a higher ransom. Read more here: The yacht owners, Jean and Scott Adam of Marina del Rey, Calif., along with friends Bob Riggle and Phyllis Macay of Seattle, were the first U.S. citizens killed in a wave of pirate attacks that have plagued the Gulf of Aden and Indian Ocean despite a regular patrol of international warships.

Read more here: www.thenewstribune.com...=cpy

edit on 29-4-2012 by Juggernog because: (no reason given)


i'd say you were.


but if i have to explain what's wrong with your linked story
you will never understand.

go back to stuffing your face with stolen lobster,shrimp and tuna
and assisting your fellow travelers, being 4.6% of the world's population to continue to consume [and waste] 33 %of global consumption all the while spewing righteous statements with their mouths full



posted on Apr, 29 2012 @ 05:44 PM
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no probs

glad to see i'm not the only one who can see
that any foreign ships visiting Somalia these days is probably up to no good



posted on Apr, 29 2012 @ 05:58 PM
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reply to post by DerepentLEstranger
 

www.dailymail.co.uk...

How about the retired British couple held 388 day. Original ransom was 2.4 MILLION British pounds. They finally settled for a mere 625,000 British pounds. How many lobster will that buy?

Send me your Somali address and I will ship you a load of cow excrement to feast upon.

BLACKHAWK DOWN

On October 3rd, 1993, 120 Delta Force Commandos and Army Rangers were dropped into the heart of Mogadishu, Somalia. Their mission was a fast daylight raid to kidnap lead terrorist Mohammed Farrah Aidid, who had been killing U.N. workers delivering food to starving Somalis. Aidid’s goal was to control the country by controlling all the food.
edit on 29-4-2012 by oghamxx because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 29 2012 @ 05:58 PM
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Its gratifying to see so many have caught on to the "evil priate" fairy tales. .


Time to end this "your territorial waters and your tuna are all belong to us" hypocrisy



posted on Apr, 29 2012 @ 06:11 PM
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what kind of moron takes their yacht into somali "pirate" infested waters?
where were the navy patrols then?

oh, that's right, making sure the oil continues to flow


retired from what?

MI6?

somebody else that didn't read the links provided [concerning a few pirates are criminals]*
enjoy your kool-aid
while your heart strings are tugged
edit on 29-4-2012 by DerepentLEstranger because: (no reason given)



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BLACKHAWK DOWN On October 3rd, 1993, 120 Delta Force Commandos and Army Rangers were dropped into the heart of Mogadishu, Somalia. Their mission was a fast daylight raid to kidnap lead terrorist Mohammed Farrah Aidid, who had been killing U.N. workers delivering food to starving Somalis. Aidid’s goal was to control the country by controlling all the food.

lol hollywood propaganda


see? you didn't read that bit in my link or filtered it out

enjoy your tuna
with koolaid
edit on 29-4-2012 by DerepentLEstranger because: added edit and comment



posted on Apr, 29 2012 @ 06:57 PM
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It is funny how no pirates demand the cleanup of their waters, that waste dumping be stopped, that other nations stop fishing in their territorial waters. THEY ONLY DEMAND CASH MONEY! Kinda blows the illusion that they are defending themselves/their country/ their waters from Americans and Europeans who have their faces stuffed with Somali Tuna and Lobsters.




posted on Apr, 29 2012 @ 07:10 PM
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Originally posted by groingrinder
It is funny how no pirates demand the cleanup of their waters, that waste dumping be stopped, that other nations stop fishing in their territorial waters. THEY ONLY DEMAND CASH MONEY! Kinda blows the illusion that they are defending themselves/their country/ their waters from Americans and Europeans who have their faces stuffed with Somali Tuna and Lobster.


So the corrupt government makes demands and receives money for a cleanup and restitution. Tell me how much of that money would go to an actual cleanup or protection of their territorial waters? Sometimes direct action is all that works. Americans and Europeans don't have the stomach for that, its too uncivilized.



posted on Apr, 29 2012 @ 08:10 PM
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Nothing like cold hard cash to warm the pirate heart. You can pretend it is about everything else, but it always comes down to cash for the pirates. Pirate actions speak much louder than pirate apologist's words.



posted on Apr, 29 2012 @ 08:18 PM
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I suppose they could just capture the invaders in their territory and put them on chain gangs cleaning up the messes they've made. We know how well that would go over.

Say somebody keeps dumping toxic sludge in your back yard and the officials say "ho hum". You'd just sit there and take it because the sludge dumpers have ALL the money and all the lawyers on their side. Not everyone is that passive.



posted on Apr, 29 2012 @ 08:20 PM
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Pirate actions speak much louder than pirate apologist's words.


L
L

Spoken like a true looter
with projection issues

as your monitor is gradually coated with bits of tuna and koolaid
the result of your righteously spewing
with your mouth full.


maybe they're saving the money to get themselves and their families out of the nuclear wasteland?



posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 12:55 AM
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edit on 4-30-2012 by groingrinder because: (no reason given)







 
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