I was recently engaged in a thread regarding the behaviors of US Servicemen in Afganistan, specifically what they had done to the body of a suicide
bomber. The link is HERE
My belief was that the reason for the post was to engage in argument regarding the morality of the actions of those service members.
Of course, the discussion took on a life of it's own and morphed into multiple conversations relating to the context of the war, the rationality of
the war, the reasons for the war, etc. Peppered with comments relating to whether the acts of the servicemen were immoral or not. In my view, some
were rational, some were irrational.
But listening to some of the posters really made me think about some things. Three points in particular.
Point 1 - Why are we in Afghanistan and do we need to remain there?
A - I believe that this country went to war in Afghanistan because mostly Saudi Arabian nationals operating under the banner of Al Queda committed an
act of terrorism against the United States.
B - I believe those Saudi Arabians and their cohorts were trained by Al Qeada in Afghanistan.
C - I believe the Taliban were the authority in that country and that they were working in collusion with Al Qeada and also providing them safe haven
in that country.
D - I believe the Taliban are a virulent form of Islamic extremism, as virulent as Al Qeada, and are completely destructive to the citizens of that
country and should be opposed at all costs.
E - I believe that we have two too many Islamic nation states already that fund, train, and otherwise support terrorism against this country ...
carrying the flags of Saudi Arabia and Iran.
F - I believe we should not allow the Taliban to return to power in Afghanistan.
Point 2 - There is no dignity in War.
A - I believe these acts by individual soldiers are going to happen and no one can stop it from happening.
B - I believe there is nothing new in this behavior. It has been going on for as long as men have been killing each other.
C - I believe that these folks should be assessed to determine whether they are psychopaths, are under too much stress, or were just following the
D - I believe that the UCMJ should be utilized as appropriate.
E - I believe no one should judge them except their PEERS, their peers being other combat soldiers serving in the same theatre of operations. Not you,
not me, their peers.
F - I believe that if treatment is required, they should be given treatment and every attempt should be made to reintegrate these folks back into
society. Unless, of course, one or all are truly psychopathic.
Whether in the civilian world or the military world, people are people
. And we all have problems. And no one knows where the breaking point
lies, or even the bending point.
Whether in the civilian world or the military world, a few will act nobly, with concious, and dignity. Others will not. They will cheat, lie, steal,
and exhibit either stable or unstable behavior. It doesn't matter if they are military or civilian, the same behaviors are present.
The difference is in the stressors. Civilians have stressors with their everyday life, thats true. And military personnel have those same stressors
... PLUS, someone is trying to kill them, or they are trying to kill someone ... EVERY DAY.
When you think about this, do you really expect that some people who, under normal circumstances, might exhibit slightly abnormal behavior .... begin
to exhibit bizzare behavior? Or just break?
Are we to exhibit no mercy for the human condition. No empathy?
Have you taken a good look at your Emergency Department Doctors or Nurses lately? They see horrible things everyday as well, and they grow a
hardshell. Some people think they are callous, they are not. They are just attempting to save their own humanity. And do you believe that they don't
deal with it in unhealthy or bizzare methods?
Of course, others do not believe as I believe.
I was wondering if someone could provide compelling information that would cause me to change my beliefs regarding the first two topics?
Point 3 - Compare and Contrast
Now, I am not really into the eye for an eye routine ... as Ghandi said, "It only makes the whole world blind".
But, I am for purchasing a level playing field. So, I thought I would, as a reminder, start posting some of the little things that the Arab/Muslim
extremists have been perpetrating on the western world for the past thirty plus years ... in no particular order.
Lets start with my good friend here who died with dignity,
Robert Dean Stetham
It seems back in 1985, Bob was on a plane flying home from Athens when something terrible occured. Read on.
Robert Dean Stetham - Victim of Arab/Muslim Violence
Birth: Nov. 17, 1961
Death: Jun. 15, 1985
United States Navy Sailor, Murder Victim.
While flying home from Athens, Greece, Lebanese terrorists hijacked his airplane, Trans World Airlines Flight 847, and he was murdered solely
because he was an American sailor. His body was dumped on the tarmac below the airplane and left there for several hours before the terrorists allowed
authorities to remove it.
On the return flight, TWA 847, members of the Lebanese terrorist organization Hezbollah hijacked the flight and forced it to fly to Algiers, where
they demanded the release of 435 Arab prisoners held by Israel. When their demands were not met, they forced the airplane to fly to Beirut, Lebanon.
Seizing the passengers' passports, the terrorists discovered several American sailors aboard the plane. They singled out Stetham and beat him
senselessly for several hours, attempting to break his will. Infuriated by his unwavering inner strength and his calm under the punishment, the
hijackers then executed him and dumped his body on the ground. As they killed him with a pistol shot to the head, his last words were a prayer to God
for strength. His face and body was so badly mangled that he could only be identified by his fingerprints ...
For 17 days, the hijackers kept the passengers hostage, before giving in and releasing them.
"For heroic achievement on 14 June 1985 while assigned to Detachment NM-85 of Underwater Construction Team One, deployed to the Naval Communications
Station Nea Makri, Greece.Petty Officer Stethem displayed exceptional valor and professional integrity while a hostage of militant Shiite hijackers of
TWA Flight 847 at Athens International Airport, Algiers, Algeria, and at Beirut, Lebanon. Exhibiting physical, moral, and emotional courage beyond
extraordinary limits, Petty Officer Stetham endured a senseless and brutal beating at the hands of his fanatical captors. He drew upon an unwavering
inner strength and absorbed the punishment. The hijackers were infuriated by his refusal to succumb, a symbol to them of the strength of the United
States of America, and in their cowardly desperation, shot him to death. Petty Officer Stetham's courage, steadfast determination, and loyal devotion
to duty reflected great credit upon himself and were in keeping with the highest traditions of the United States Naval Service. Signed by John Lehman,
Secretary of the Navy."
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