I was considering posting this in the Social issues/Unrest section but feel the questions this asks raises a lot of issues regarding 'conspiracy'. I
apologise if this has all been said before but I feel strongly about it and want to share it, it is the reason I joined this site.
Please bear with me and take the time to read the links and watch the videos if you decide to read on. Thank you.
So, I've been researching about the deceit that goes on 24/7 in our Western 'democracies', from lying politicians to mainstream media that just flat
out lies and deceives million's of people through propaganda.
Where I'm really struggling is that I keep comparing Libya with Egypt.
One country, namely Libya, we sent NATO in to bomb, we funded 'rebels', thousands have died, Gaddaffi was killed and the country is now in complete
ruin, with violence worse than ever.
So when I started researching Libya, I don't for one second believe Gaddaffi was a saint, but the evidence suggests he had done a LOT for the country.
From when he took over, he had improved education, literacy was very good, healthcare improved, the country had the highest living standards in the
whole of Africa, and much better than some Middle Eastern countries (much better than Egypt).
You have to remember, the UN imposes sanctions on these countries- which affects the common person- yet the country still thrived. From what Gaddaffi
started with, he did good for Libya. The above link is a good source because it has links to follow- such as only in Jan 2011, the UN was praising the
countries efforts on improving human rights.
From research, the original protests started as no more than a few hundred people, if you compare that to almost 2,000,000 people marching in Tripoli
in support of Gaddaffi, that is almost 1/3 of the entire population of Libya taking to the streets to support the regime. This speaks for itself.
This was mainly ignored by the mainstream media, I'm aware regarding the huge demonstrations in support of Assad in Syria they say the people are
forced to do it by the police.
But I can't believe that for the two above videos, you can't force over a million people to all cheer and support like this, this is genuine support
Video evidence of support for Gaddafi is immense. Undeniable. I don't want to say he was a saint, he didn't like opposition, when he first took over
there was a lot of repression, but Gaddaffi wasn't going round killing innocent people like the mainstream news is reporting. Basically, there were
countries far worse off and in need of help than Libya.
There is no video evidence of mass protest against Gaddaffi.
All we see is videos of a few armed 'rebel's firing shots etc, there's no evidence of police brutality against protestors. The mainstream media told
us that the police were shooting at civilians at will- killing women and children for nothing etc- there is no evidence at all from what I can see-
I've searched for it, but it isn't there.
Well anyway, here is an incredible video of media propaganda-
This is just criminal. The video explains that the supporters for Gaddaffi are forced to do it. But then it shows its 'evidence' of Gaddafi being bad-
thugs burning down police stations etc- hardly any of them there- about 50 thugs causing unrest (Al Quada probably)- the police are obviously going to
respond to this as they would in any country- the police have to get violent to stop them doing this- but as the video shows- the police in the van
are merely trying to disperse the crowd. Not only that, but there are no innocent civilians on the street- the small crowd there are thugs burning
down a police station! Any police force would act to stop it- be it in in UK or USA.
THEN, a 'witness', we don't even get his name, says the police were shooting everyone, 6 people died just now. Watch the video, this is the same,
unreliable, complete nonsense BS we get over and over which is supposed to be classed as evidence of police brutality. It doesn't exist- it's all
I've searched for hours trying to find videos of Libyan security forces being ruthless and shooting innocent people- it isn't there. All we get over
and over is some unknown 'witness' claiming police were shooting people. And the media passes this as truth. It's incredible.
The more you research it- the more you will see evidence of the 'rebel's being placed in the country by our own intelligence and special forces- CIA,
They were on a mission to cause instability- they were the terrorists. I can't come to any other conclusion- there is no evidence of police attacking
civilians, you see the police defending the country from the violent rebels who are blowing stuff up and shooting people.
SAS were arrested in Libya as the unrest was unfolding-
But, even if Gaddaffi was a ruthless killer, how does dropping bombs solve the problem? How does funding and arming ruthless rebels make it better?
Who runs Libya now-
How messed up can this be? Al Quada is supposed to be the enemy yet we fund them to over run governments?
There was no reason at all to bomb Libya in my opinion. It was disgraceful- the country is worse now than ever, all human rights and progression have
So, this is where Egypt comes up.
Now this country actually has a huge uprising- there is multiple evidence of hundreds of thousands of people protesting against the regime-
Egypt is evidence of a real mass protest against the regime, there are multiple videos of police brutality-
This is beyond disgusting-
So this is my point, if there is a country where the people need help from the ruthless oppression and violence they face, it is Egypt.
YET the West sits back and does nothing. There is no call to act on 'humanitarian' grounds, despite there being ACTUAL evidence of police brutality.
So why do they leave Egypt to fend for themselves?
Is it because Libya had vast oil reserves, that Gaddaffi was against what the elites wanted? What are your views on this, why do we leave the people
who really need help to fend for themselves and suffer, yet we bomb Libya on humanitarian grounds?
It just sickens me. Is it simply because the US has funded the Egyptian regime for 30 years? Egypt has seemingly sat by whilst Israel has committed
atrocites against the Palestinians.
I get the horrible impression the US used Egypt as a precursor to their wars wages on humanitarian grounds. They were well aware that whilst Mumbarek
may step aside, the regime would not change- and it hasn't, it has actually got worse.
So a further question- is Egypt an ally with Israel now- where does Egypt stand in the grand scheme of the agenda being played out?
Thanks for reading, and apologies if I ranted at any point, I just wanted an opportunity to discuss it.
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