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Originally posted by Cassius666
www.nytimes.com...
Actually it does work. Pretty well even. I dont see where you get your "Not so hot".
A case of "lets just say it is that way, nobody is gonna check anyway wether I lie or not?"
This isnt about gungrabbing.
In all regions, the country appears to be safer. The odds of being murdered or robbed are now less than half of what they were in the early 1990s, when violent crime peaked in the United States. Small towns, especially, are seeing far fewer murders: In cities with populations under 10,000, the number plunged by more than 25 percent last year.
The news was not as positive in New York City, however. After leading a long decline in crime rates, the city saw increases in all four types of violent lawbreaking — murder, rape, robbery and aggravated assault — including a nearly 14 percent rise in murders. But data from the past few months suggest the city’s upward trend may have slowed or stopped.
The number of rapes in New York City jumped 24.5 percent; robberies, 5.4 percent, and aggravated assaults, 3.2 percent.
New York was the only city with more than a million people besides San Antonio with an increase in the total number of violent crimes — a 4.6 percent jump, to 48,489 — and the only one besides Philadelphia to see a rise in murders.
Some experts cautioned against reading too much into the city’s numbers, noting that New York’s drop in violent crime over the last two decades has far outpaced many places, some of which are only now catching up.
Murder and violent crime rates were supposed to soar after the Supreme Court struck down gun control laws in Chicago and Washington, D.C.
Politicians predicted disaster. "More handguns in the District of Columbia will only lead to more handgun violence," Washington’s Mayor Adrian Fenty warned the day the court made its decision.
Chicago’s Mayor Daley predicted that we would "go back to the Old West, you have a gun and I have a gun and we'll settle it in the streets . . . ."
The New York Times even editorialized this month about the Supreme Court's "unwise" decision that there is a right for people "to keep guns in the home."
But Armageddon never happened. Newly released data for Chicago shows that, as in Washington, murder and gun crime rates didn't rise after the bans were eliminated -- they plummeted. They have fallen much more than the national crime rate.
Read more: www.foxnews.com...
Originally posted by Cassius666
This isnt about gungrabbing.
Originally posted by Shoonra
By all means, if Trayvon had a gun, he might be the one invoking the Stand Your Ground law as a defense for shooting Zimmerman, who kept shadowing him even after the police told him to stop.
Considering that Zimmerman had been following Martin gratuitously and for several minutes and apparently for more than a block (I wish someone would find and post these precise details), Martin might well have become worried that Zimmerman was up to no good, and that might explain why Martin turned on Zimmerman.
The Stand Your Ground defense really doesn't work for Zimmerman as he was not standing but pursuing, nor was he on his own ground. But the mere existence of the law may have encouraged Zimmerman to be incautious and too "Dodge City", whereas the old self-defense standard of "retreat to the wall" might have avoided this tragedy.
Originally posted by Cassius666
No its not dumbo. You can still keep your gun, you just can’t go cause a fight and then shoot someone.
Also you did not touch on the second bit how convenient that with the quote button you can pick and choose what to quote after some editing and deleting and then go on posting drunkily.
Shouldn’t the pro gun case here be that Trayvon was only armed with skittles? Had he been packing who knows, he could be alive now and instead Zimmerman, the one who pursued Treyvon when he had not buisness to do so, could be the one full of holes.
776.041 Use of force by aggressor.—The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:
(1) Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony; or
(2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:
(a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or
(b) In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force.
Originally posted by Cassius666
reply to post by Golf66
In dubio pro reo, with that in mind the law is essentially a license to kill, unless there is video and audio of the incident available and even then its up for debate.