Blacklisted as 'Trouble Makers' UK

Originally posted by Justwork


You have a boss. Your boss is in charge. Your boss can choose to pay you as much as he likes over the Minimum Wage, or he can choose to pay you Minimum Wage. You are completely deluded if you as a worker, think you have the right to demand anything. If you don't like how much you get paid, find another job.

Thatcher was only the second PM to have truely cared about the direction this country and people were going in, and that is what makes her both an amazing woman in the past and today, but also the second greatest PM after Churchill.

Thatcher "cared" so much about this country that she sold off the power and water companies to foreign corporations, the result of which is that we now pay some of the highest charges in the world.

She would have quite willingly overseen a return to the slave labour, poverty and awful conditions of the victorian era, including child labour.

Margret Thatcher destroyed the UK. I have friends from Yorkshire(Minners) whos lives were destroyed because of this evil woman. The hardships those poor people were forced to endure were terrible. Not to mention she used Scotland as some sort of lab rat for her Pole tax scheme. Poor people lost the contents of the homes. Not a nice person in my opinion, definitely a NWO/TPTB type!

reply to post by Sinny


It's not just the blacklisting, it's impact on people's lives and careers or the system abuse involving the police that concern me with this issue. If people are blacklisted for raising concerns about health and safety failures, then not only are they worried for their own and their colleagues' safety but also the safety of the people who buy, live or work in the completed properties.

I suspect that where 'troublemakers' questioned practice or site safety, the problems stemmed from cost cutting and the fanatical pursuit of profit. The article says that the blacklist involved 'major names' in the building industry and I just wonder how many people reading it would confidently buy from any builder known to have used the blacklist.

Originally posted by Justwork
Absolutely brilliant! We need to crack down on the Unions and crush them. If you have a job, you do it. If you refuse to do it, you should be fired on the spot, and your job can be given to someone who is willing to work. For far too long, we have been held hostages by these communists and socialists, it's time for them to be removed from sight all together.

Wow, you were born in the wrong time period! You would have been great as one of the oppressors during the 1950's! The greedy corporations would have hired you in a heartbeat.

Wonder if would still have felt this way when they placed you in extremely unsafe working conditions with no insurance, no lunch break, no sick leave, and subjected you to hazardous materials without telling you?

Yeah, good luck with that.

Just goes to show you: whistleblower laws protect you about as well as tissue paper works for a bullet proof vest.

reply to post by Justwork

Are you a troll?read the first page,had enough of your rants.how you get away with saying scottish people can go f themselves I dont know.if you changed scottish for jew,muslim or black you would have been banned.i have had posting bans for less.what is good for the goose is good for the gander.

reply to post by Justwork


Do you enjoy your weekends? Your 40 hour week? Your reasonable wage? Work safety? Your pension? Paid vacations?

Then you need to thank the unions.

Do you disagree with child labour? Forced unpaid overtime?

Then you need to thank the unions.

"IF IT WASN'T FOR THE UNIONS" Matt McGinn

Toora loora loora loo
I'll tell you something awfu' true
Wouldn't have your telly the noo
If it wasn't for the union

I had a boss in Aberdeen
The nicest fella that ever was seen
He must have thought me helluva green
Before I joined the union

I had a boss named Allardyce
He was really helluva nice
Except for the way he loaded the dice
Before I joined the union

A pal of mine has bought a car
A second-handed Jaguar
He wouldn't hae travelled half as far
If it wasn't for the union

The bosses they were doing fine
Little children working down the mine
They'd have them on the assembly lines
If it wasn't for the union

So men and women all agree
It's time to rise up off your knee
And raise the banner of unity
Forward with the union.

Nobody who really cares about the UK can honestly defend the Trade Unions. It is because of them that UK industry got destroyed in the first place. Sure workers deserve to have some rights but the power of the Unions is ridiculous, but then this website is full of 'lefties' whose bigotry blinkers them to these facts.
What about tube drivers in London earning £50k a year but still threatening to strike if they didn't get pay rises, this is fair and good for society?
And then you have the gall to say disgusting things about Margaret Thatcher, like the comments about urinating on her grave....what sort of SCUM are you? There will always be casualties when changes are made but the changes Maggie made were FOR THE BETTER, look at the mess she inherited, mostly thanks to the scum Trade Unions. You do realise it was Maggie who introduced the 'Right to Buy' scheme, not something I personally agree with but am not too blinkered to recognise as having helped millions make something of themselves.

Originally posted by Sinny
So it turns out the Americans aren't the only ones being #ed over by their Gov. Our construction workers are deemed as "Left Wing" trouble makers for simple protesting their rights. If you didn't think you were being monitored before, fellow UKers, now you know you are.

So a Government investigation into this practice by a private firm is now suddenly turned into the Government doing it? If they were, why would they investigate it? Seems you're grasping here in an attempt to paint them in a bad light, when it would appear the actual problem was perpetrated by a cartel of private firms.

Originally posted by Sinny
Add that to the show of Guns at the NHS protests, and the fact we are the most CCTV monitored Nation.....I better get off ATS before they come knocking my door.

Show of guns? When? CCTV monitored, no we're not. I bet you'll now trot out the "300 times a day" factoid about CCTV with no knowledge of where that quote came from or having read the actual report that started that whole nonsense...

Originally posted by woodwardjnr
reply to post by zerozero00

 

I thought maybe Jeremy Clarkson had signed up to ATS. Waiting for him to start calling for those who go on strike to be lined up against the wall and shot.

He never actually said that and you know it. Anyone who complained about Clarkson only did so because they have little in their life to entertain them. Taken in context, he was just joking and having a jab at the BBC.

Originally posted by woogleuk
reply to post by Freeborn

 

I think the same of CRB checks. I can't think of anyone I know that hasn't had some for of problem with the police, innocent or other. From a simple caution to a silly mistake you made at 17 years of age. Even someone phoning in and making a complaint about you, even if is unfounded, is logged. They say under the "rehabilitation of offenders" act, you don't have to declare it after 5 years, unless in a position of responsibility such as teaching or care work.

But, there is nothing (no laws in place) stopping a potential employer from seeking the enhanced check secretly.

Now, I know it is easy to say "Well don't get in trouble / break the law" in the first place. But the police will lock anyone up if they want, regardless, and that arrest is then on your record.

I got cautioned for defending myself against a drunken attacker on a night out, that is now on my record,it may have been 14 years ago, but it can still go against me.

I've got a conviction for common assault going back to 2000 and in my job, I have to submit to enhanced security vetting by HM Government, so have to declare it, despite it being "spent". I have had no issue with my employer from having that conviction on file and they know about it, but I was only 18 and everyone knows what it's like.

reply to post by andy06shake


In fairness to the whole "Thatcher was a witch argument, bless those poor miners", they were led down the garden path by their Unions to demand more and more money for a product which had plummeted in price. We had mountains of the stuff piling up around the country and something had to be done. The Unions are as much to blame for the eventual downfall of the mining industry as Thatcher.

reply to post by biggilo

It is not 'supporting the unions' to expect the police and businesses to act within the law... I support the concept of unionisation as a reaction to rapid business expansion. If we allow the 'free market' to operate then we most have checks and balances. Corporations have political lobbying power so why shouldn't workers?
Individual unions may have and will behave badly but that doesn't mean we should do away with the whole concept...
I could just as easily say, Nike uses exploitative worker practices in the manufacture of it's shoes so we should bring down every multinational in the world.
I may be a 'lefty', i am in fact a kind of socialist, but i understand the world we live in, and can use my brain...

We had a family construction firm which, during the 80’s, was one of Glasgow’s largest indigenous builders. We operated as a main contractor for local authorities and employed local people – my father took pride in paying his employees a living wage and paid them using a system called ‘back of the book’. Quite simply, the faster and better the job was completed the more the guys got paid. Consequently when his firm undertook a contract in was generally completed ahead of schedule providing value for money for the taxpayer and a living family wage for the workers. A win win win situation.

In the 70’s and early 80’s contractors applied to be on local authority lists of approved contractors and would be invited to tender for contracts. They would submit their tenders and the local authority selected the bid that offered best value for the taxpayer.

In the mid 80’s the criteria for inclusion on local authority lists of approved contractors changed. Bye bye indigenous builders – hello international cartels and local authority rackets. The main builder in Glasgow these days is an outfit called City Building which, confusingly, calls itself a private company. However, its board is made up of Glasgow councillors and is awarded contracts on a no bid basis. They charge top dollar and give no value for money for the tax payer (the opposite in fact). I undertook a company search of City Building recently and, had this company truly been a private concern, it would have been bankrupt many moons ago.

It was the tactics used to take out the indigenous builders that cause me great concern – and the officials involved are still the faceless unelected corrupted officials involved to this day. ...and they operate in rings. Corrupt councillors, supported by a corrupt mp’s, supported by corrupt lawyers supported by corrupt accountants. Way to go. Result? Local unemployment, diminished employment rights, higher taxes and just a handful of people at the top of pyramid doing rather well from the current system.

Anyone who rocks this cosy little set up will be blacklisted - and it’s to protect the interests of the few – not for the greater good.

reply to post by biggilo


I would point out that no derogatory comment about Margaret Thatcher was made until Justwork started with his racist Scottish gibberish. Also its a fact that most people from Scotland, North of England and Ireland have severe issues with what Thatcher done to there local industries, amenities and goverment bodys during her time as PM. People lost there Jobs, possessions and even there lives because of her. It takes all kinds to make up the U.K not just the Torys. God willing society in the U.K is about to fall down around our ears with the Torys at the helm!!!

Originally posted by Justwork
Absolutely brilliant! We need to crack down on the Unions and crush them. If you have a job, you do it. If you refuse to do it, you should be fired on the spot, and your job can be given to someone who is willing to work. For far too long, we have been held hostages by these communists and socialists, it's time for them to be removed from sight all together.

I wouldn't label this a pro right wing thing for crying out loud, sure the communists hated trades unions

reply to post by blueorder


Read some of Justworks other comments, if there still there that is. He is a little more than just right wing, more like BNP all the way! Not someone i wish to know or even communicate with!

The left and the right will never agree, can we agree on that ? I grew up in the 70's and 80's i hated Maggie for 'snatching' my milk, however as i grew older and learnt the ways of the world i realised why i lost my milk, same as then we were skint, no money. The way i see it this country was destroyed by both parties, we had the highest skilled and highest paid workforce anywhere in the world, both achieved by the Unions and the Companies working together, what suited one helped the other, the problem is / was we refused to see that cheaper imports were going to cause issues, hey why should we, we were the best in the world at pretty much everything, why would anyone want to buy cheaper inferior products from outside 'Made in Great Britian'. Unfortunately people did, when this was finally realised that was when problems started.

If no one is buying your products what do you do ?

I can see that both sides have/had valid points, the problem as i see it was the unions were not prepared to discuss the issues of lower wages while the other side were not prepared to listen to concerns. The unions did a very good job in the beginning, getting things like days off, protected rights etc, all achieved together, evetually. However when their powerbase became to big that is when problems arose. You only have to watch Carry on at your convenience, to see the abuse of powers that the unions had. Before anyone starts, i know it was a film and it was a parody, but you get my point.

Look how many great societies based on socialism there are.... sorry i cant see any, there will always be the better off in any society, so that argument goes out of the window, Animal Farm comes to mind.

Maggie had a great idea with the council house sell off. She was correct in, if people have a stake in something they will be more inclined to look after it, where she went wrong was not allowing the councils to re-invest that money in new social housing. Even with the best will in the world there will always be people, who for whatever reason have fallen on hard times and require assistance.

Not saying she didn't have a hand in destroying the manufacturing in this country, especially up north, but more jobs have been lost in manufacturing under Labour governments than Tory. Also the last time Labour was in power, you know, the other year, they would also have been in cahoots with the same blacklist. Also there level of paranoia was like an unstoppable behemoth, more laws, more control, more cameras etc etc.

Anyone who still thinks unions or Labour are of the working man really need to open their eyes and look around and start using their brains more. Everyone complains that house prices are out of reach of the ordinary man, they weren't when Labour came to power, it has only been in the last 15 years that it has spiralled out of control, go have a look at the figures they're all out there. You would have thought that a party that presided over the largest intake of tax revenue, ever would have put some money aside for the lean times, like everyone says, save for a rainy day. Pity the last lot decided to not only spend the extra revenue coming in then, they borrowed against future generations.

I lean right of centre, i cant stand the level of intrusion instigated by the left in the last 15 years, i dont like what they have done to our once great Country, just to Pee off the right. Jack Straw interview go look it up. Labour introduced charges for further education, not the Tories, although they haven't helped, but if the last lot hadn't spent all the money we wouldn't be where we are now. Uni education for everyone was Labours quick fire way of removing a load of people from the dole queues, backfired now though hasn't it, Why can t people see that when you have few graduates they get paid more. Now we have graduates that think they aregoing to walk into a well paid job, when everyone has one it forces the value down, natural market economics, but you try explaining that to the entightlement left. Everyone moans about the Bankers, but who bailed out the Bankers? Labour. Who encouraged RBS to buy ABN without due dilligence? Labour. Who Encouraged Halifax and Bank of Scotland to merge? Labour.

The list goes on and on. People who vote for Labour because thats what their family has done since time dot and because they are the party of the working man really need to take a look at themselves.

I remember watching an interview with an OAP and they were telling her that under the Labour government her pension income would be reduced and asking her how she would vote know she knew that, answer Labour as i've always voted for them and so have my family. What a blinkered reason even though it was pointed out she would have less.

Originally posted by christina-66
In the 70’s and early 80’s contractors applied to be on local authority lists of approved contractors and would be invited to tender for contracts. They would submit their tenders and the local authority selected the bid that offered best value for the taxpayer.

How this worked in the south of England was that local contractors who secured a listing all knew eachother. Jobs up for tender were discussed amongst them and bids were made to reflect how they had divied the work up between them and ensure they each made successful bids for the jobs they actually wanted!

In the mid 80’s the criteria for inclusion on local authority lists of approved contractors changed. Bye bye indigenous builders – hello international cartels and local authority rackets.

A case of the 'big boys' ensuring they got in on and cornered the spoils?

The main builder in Glasgow these days is an outfit called City Building which, confusingly, calls itself a private company. However, its board is made up of Glasgow councillors

Is City Building a private company owned by the local authority? Sounds like it is and if so, we have the lovelly Mrs T to thank!

and is awarded contracts on a no bid basis. They charge top dollar and give no value for money for the tax payer (the opposite in fact).

Yep, sounds like a local authority owned enterprise, charging top dollar on the assumption this will make a profit for the taxpayer! It's complete bull, this privatisation thing and all local authorities are involved in it in some sense or another. I think the philosophy behind the state setting up private companies to fulfill infrastructure or social welfare need is completely flawed. The idea that the 'market' was a homogenous place that could provide services and make a profit has done nothing but transfer public money from public to private hands.

I undertook a company search of City Building recently and, had this company truly been a private concern, it would have been bankrupt many moons ago.

Just like the direct labour organisations it (taxpayer owned private companies) sought to replace?

It was the tactics used to take out the indigenous builders that cause me great concern – and the officials involved are still the faceless unelected corrupted officials involved to this day. ...and they operate in rings. Corrupt councillors, supported by a corrupt mp’s, supported by corrupt lawyers supported by corrupt accountants. Way to go. Result? Local unemployment, diminished employment rights, higher taxes and just a handful of people at the top of pyramid doing rather well from the current system.

Councillors and MP's are elected. Sadly, many of them are not knowledgeable and in my opinion, not fit for purpose. That is why they need to take 'advice' from the unelected lawyers, accountants and operational staff, ie paid officers, all of whom will have their own agendas, including ensuring their career paths.

Anyone who rocks this cosy little set up will be blacklisted - and it’s to protect the interests of the few – not for the greater good.

Thatcher's trickle down in action, not!

reply to post by biggilo

You do realise it was Maggie who introduced the 'Right to Buy' scheme, not something I personally agree with but am not too blinkered to recognise as having helped millions make something of themselves.

And you do realise that it was this policy that caused a shortage of council housing which in turn forced young couples to go into private housing.
This in turn helped cause spiralling house costs resulting in many people taking out mortgages they couldn't afford and record reposession levels and a direct contibutory cause of the problems we are paying the price for today.

Quite a lot of the problems of the day lay directly at the feet of totally inept management of public services and nationalised industries and a 'job's for the boys' attitude to middle and upper management,
Rather than address these issues she targetted the unions and sold off all the public uitilites and nationalised industries for a quick buck.
Now these organisations are operating at a profit but instead of that money being re-invested into this country into is being syphoned off to foreign shores and the major financial institutions that have been bleeding this country dry for centuries.

I am not that naive that I don't recognise that certain unionists were trying further their own agenda's at the expense of their members interests but Thatcher used spin and agent provocateurs to exaggerate this and to manipulate public opinion.

Unlike some my opinions are not formed from history books and political dogma but by living through and experiencing the full effect of Thatcher and her policies and the benefit of hindsight and hopefully an ability to look at things free from the restraints of party political allegiance and rhetoric.

All people want is a fair day's pay for a fair day's work and a bit more of an equal share of the pie.

What we have now is an administration that is hell bent on returning to the workhouse ethic and they will use any method and tool possible to help them achieve this goal.

reply to post by Freeborn


"All people want is a fair day's pay for a fair day's work and a bit more of an equal share of the pie."

Spot on! Truer words were never said! Not much to ask is it? Yet the rich just keep get richer, and the rest just keep getting the sharp end where the sun don't shine.