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ABC News/Washington Post poll - 67% Say Ditch Individual Mandate

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posted on Mar, 19 2012 @ 01:18 PM
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ABC News/Washington Post poll - 67% Say Ditch Individual Mandate

They ran a phone poll of 1003 adults on March 7-10, 2012.



Two-thirds of Americans say the U.S. Supreme Court should throw out either the individual mandate in the federal health care law or the law in its entirety, signaling the depth of public disagreement with that element of the Affordable Care Act.

This ABC News/Washington Post poll finds that Americans oppose the law overall by 52-41 percent. And 67 percent believe the high court should either ditch the law or at least the portion that requires nearly all Americans to have coverage.

The high court opens hearings on the law’s constitutionality a week from today.

The law has never earned majority support in ABC/Post polls – and this update, produced for ABC by Langer Research Associates, finds a strong sense its critics are dominating the debate. Seventy percent of Americans report hearing mainly negative things about the law lately; just 19 percent say the buzz has been positive. Even among its supporters, 53 percent are hearing more negatives than positives. Among opponents this soars to 88 percent. ...

Countdown to the SCOTUS


There were some positives however.

Certain parts are popular .....

read the article




posted on Mar, 21 2012 @ 04:44 PM
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What many Americans do not know is that the U.S. Government "back-doored" a rule into the Affordable Care Act just this past week. The rule, which is attached to the Individual Mandate, requires that most purchasers of health insurance beginning on 1/1/2014 contribute "at least a $1.00 per month premium surcharge" to fund abortions.

Here is a link to an "Amicus Brief" that the U.S. Supreme Couirt will review (starting the week of 3/26/2012) to consider the legality of mandating that most insurance purchasers be required to fund abortions...

Link: www.bdfund.org...

If you think the contraception issue caused a firestorm, wait until relgious AND non-religious freedom loving Amercians learn about this!

-CareWeMust



posted on Mar, 22 2012 @ 10:19 AM
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Originally posted by carewemust
What many Americans do not know is that the U.S. Government "back-doored" a rule into the Affordable Care Act just this past week. The rule, which is attached to the Individual Mandate, requires that most purchasers of health insurance beginning on 1/1/2014 contribute "at least a $1.00 per month premium surcharge" to fund abortions.

Here is a link to an "Amicus Brief" that the U.S. Supreme Couirt will review (starting the week of 3/26/2012) to consider the legality of mandating that most insurance purchasers be required to fund abortions...

Link: www.bdfund.org...

If you think the contraception issue caused a firestorm, wait until relgious AND non-religious freedom loving Amercians learn about this!

-CareWeMust


I know Obama will be thrown - out the door - January 20, 2013.

I'm guessing the members of the SCOTUS are looking at that 67% number

and already writing up the bad news for Obama.

- Unconstitutional -
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You want the Public Option? Move to Canada.



posted on Mar, 22 2012 @ 10:29 AM
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We know America is finally and fully corrupted if they uphold this law...
So, do they want us to riot or do they want us to be happy?
We shall see..



posted on Mar, 22 2012 @ 11:03 AM
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From the OPs article


Previous polling also has found that some aspects of the law are broadly popular – for example, extending the age at which parents can cover their children, prohibiting denial of coverage because of pre-existing conditions and extending coverage to millions of uninsured Americans.

Another, though, seemingly outweighs these – the individual mandate, which requires nearly everyone to obtain health insurance by 2014, or face a fine.


You can't have both people.

It frustrates me that people are so easily manipulated to vote against their own interests. These people are clearly saying "We want the coverage that the bill is offering...but we think it should be killed."

And it is direct result of the right wing demonizing the bill.

The funny thing is, people are going to be super pissed if the bill gets tossed out and they recieve a call from their insurance the next day dropping them for a pre-existing condition.

I would say they get what the deserve...but I'm not cold and heartless like the right wing who want to see people die just so they can "win".



posted on Mar, 22 2012 @ 11:16 AM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
From the OPs article


Previous polling also has found that some aspects of the law are broadly popular – for example, extending the age at which parents can cover their children, prohibiting denial of coverage because of pre-existing conditions and extending coverage to millions of uninsured Americans.

Another, though, seemingly outweighs these – the individual mandate, which requires nearly everyone to obtain health insurance by 2014, or face a fine.


You can't have both people.

It frustrates me that people are so easily manipulated to vote against their own interests. These people are clearly saying "We want the coverage that the bill is offering...but we think it should be killed."

And it is direct result of the right wing demonizing the bill.

The funny thing is, people are going to be super pissed if the bill gets tossed out and they recieve a call from their insurance the next day dropping them for a pre-existing condition.

I would say they get what the deserve...but I'm not cold and heartless like the right wing who want to see people die just so they can "win".


Stop hiding behind victims. It's pathetic.

You should prepare yourself for the SCOTUS ruling. -- Unconstitutional --

We will have a - private sector - solution by then.



posted on Mar, 22 2012 @ 11:22 AM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
From the OPs article


Previous polling also has found that some aspects of the law are broadly popular – for example, extending the age at which parents can cover their children, prohibiting denial of coverage because of pre-existing conditions and extending coverage to millions of uninsured Americans.

Another, though, seemingly outweighs these – the individual mandate, which requires nearly everyone to obtain health insurance by 2014, or face a fine.


You can't have both people.

It frustrates me that people are so easily manipulated to vote against their own interests. These people are clearly saying "We want the coverage that the bill is offering...but we think it should be killed."

And it is direct result of the right wing demonizing the bill.

The funny thing is, people are going to be super pissed if the bill gets tossed out and they recieve a call from their insurance the next day dropping them for a pre-existing condition.

I would say they get what the deserve...but I'm not cold and heartless like the right wing who want to see people die just so they can "win".


Yes we can have both !!

Just pass separate legislation.

Or let the free market set the price.



posted on Mar, 22 2012 @ 11:27 AM
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ObamaCare will be flushed down the toilet.

Choice is a good thing.

The last thing we need is the iron fist of socialism rationing our healthcare.



posted on Mar, 22 2012 @ 12:07 PM
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The individual mandate is the antithesis of the Constituton.

(stated in another thread)

You can't have the freedoms guaranteed in the Constitution AND have socialized medicine. It flies in the face the freedoms that we are granted by our creator.

You can't opt out of the socialized system, find providers and create your own healthcare system once this goes into effect.
THEY won't allow it.

So either get Obama's healthcare package and change America

Or

Keep America, the Constitution and find another solution.
edit on 22-3-2012 by beezzer because: Eurisko busted my chops on spelling




posted on Mar, 22 2012 @ 12:10 PM
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Originally posted by Eurisko2012
reply to post by xuenchen
 


ObamaCare will be flushed down the toilet.

Choice is a good thing.

The last thing we need is the iron fist of socialism rationing our healthcare.


I agree.

But I hope they shred the thing into small enough pieces .....

otherwise it may back up.

I say let the free market dictate prices.



posted on Mar, 22 2012 @ 12:10 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer
The individual mandate is the antithesis of the Constituton.

(stated in another thread)

You can not have the freedoms guaranteed in the Constitution AND have socialized medicine. It flies in the face the freedoms that we are granted by our creator.

You can't opt out of the socialized system, find providers and create your own healthcare system once this goes into effect.
THEY won't allow it.

So either get Obama's healthcare package and change America

Or

Keep America, the Constitution and find another solution.


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Good news beezzer. I just looked into my crystal ball. I can see the date.

June 29, 2012 the SCOTUS will make their ruling. -- Unconstitutional --

Remember, you heard it here first.
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BTW, cannot is one word.
.........not can not



posted on Mar, 22 2012 @ 12:13 PM
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Originally posted by xuenchen

Originally posted by Eurisko2012
reply to post by xuenchen
 


ObamaCare will be flushed down the toilet.

Choice is a good thing.

The last thing we need is the iron fist of socialism rationing our healthcare.


I agree.




But I hope they shred the thing into small enough pieces .....

otherwise it may back up.

I say let the free market dictate prices.



The free market solution will be 1,000 times better than ObamaCare.

I have already heard some good alternatives. First things first, flush ObamaCare.



posted on Mar, 22 2012 @ 12:41 PM
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Originally posted by Eurisko2012

The free market solution will be 1,000 times better than ObamaCare.



Yes, the "free-market" has only had a couple hundred years to try and work out a solution to the reality that cancer does not obey the laws of economics, that disease is not a function of income and car accidents don't only happen to those with jobs.

Medical bills are the #1 cause of personal bankruptcey in the USA and have been for 10 years running.

Just silly nonsense. I agree with Outkast....you throw Billions at a negative PR campaign and a certain segment of the population will cut off thier own nose to spite thier face. Such is the state of our media and populace.

The supreme court will uphold the mandate...every objective legal analysis agrees, the rest is just idealogical rhetoric.



posted on Mar, 22 2012 @ 12:47 PM
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Originally posted by Indigo5

Originally posted by Eurisko2012

The free market solution will be 1,000 times better than ObamaCare.



Yes, the "free-market" has only had a couple hundred years to try and work out a solution to the reality that cancer does not obey the laws of economics, that disease is not a function of income and car accidents don't only happen to those with jobs.

Medical bills are the #1 cause of personal bankruptcey in the USA and have been for 10 years running.

Just silly nonsense. I agree with Outkast....you throw Billions at a negative PR campaign and a certain segment of the population will cut off thier own nose to spite thier face. Such is the state of our media and populace.

The supreme court will uphold the mandate...every objective legal analysis agrees, the rest is just idealogical rhetoric.


But .....

What if Obamacare becomes the #1 cause of the United States bankruptcy ?

Or it becomes a cause of someone being laid off because of one of the Obamacare stipulations ?



posted on Mar, 22 2012 @ 12:57 PM
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Originally posted by xuenchen

Originally posted by Indigo5

Originally posted by Eurisko2012

The free market solution will be 1,000 times better than ObamaCare.



Yes, the "free-market" has only had a couple hundred years to try and work out a solution to the reality that cancer does not obey the laws of economics, that disease is not a function of income and car accidents don't only happen to those with jobs.

Medical bills are the #1 cause of personal bankruptcey in the USA and have been for 10 years running.

Just silly nonsense. I agree with Outkast....you throw Billions at a negative PR campaign and a certain segment of the population will cut off thier own nose to spite thier face. Such is the state of our media and populace.

The supreme court will uphold the mandate...every objective legal analysis agrees, the rest is just idealogical rhetoric.


But .....

What if Obamacare becomes the #1 cause of the United States bankruptcy ?

Or it becomes a cause of someone being laid off because of one of the Obamacare stipulations ?



Oh, they don't think that far ahead.


They think 10 minutes ahead not 10 years ahead.

The CBO just - doubled - the cost of ObamaCare. We can't afford it AND

it will be found to be unconstitutional June 29, 2012 by the SCOTUS.



posted on Mar, 22 2012 @ 01:11 PM
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Originally posted by xuenchen

But .....

What if Obamacare becomes the #1 cause of the United States bankruptcy ?

Or it becomes a cause of someone being laid off because of one of the Obamacare stipulations ?



Healthcare costs rose 50% in the past 10 years alone. The evidence for the above is drenched with bias and agenda. We can tweak the bill if neccessary, but everyone that doesn't have a political agenda agrees that doing nothing is not an option any longer for the United States. I am a capitalist to the bone, but healthcare demand does not respond to the free market, never has. As our economy and population has grown that disconnect has grown...well...like a cancerous tumor.

See....Nature has already imposed a mandate on every one of us. We will all need healthcare at some point. Our choice is to acknowledge that fact or continue to allow Money driven enterprises to exploit that, very non-free-market, reality to amass huge profits.

Again...I know folks are idealogically committed to opposing this and it is difficult to think clearly with a zillion voices screaming "government take-over" and "socialism", but absent politics or agenda...the facts of the situation become very clear. Nature doesn't care about politics or elections and we are each born with a mandate that we will need healthcare at some point....recind that mandate and make us immortal and then we can talk about recinding the mandate for having insurance.



posted on Mar, 22 2012 @ 01:27 PM
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Originally posted by Eurisko2012


The CBO just - doubled - the cost of ObamaCare. We can't afford it AND


Nope...that was BS spun out by a GOP machinery hoping people didn't actually read the fine print.

The cost estimates went down



Assuming the Supreme Court does not overturn the law, it would reduce the number of uninsured by 30 million in 2016, or 2 million fewer people than estimated last year. Total costs from 2012-2021 are about $50 billion lower than estimated last year. That's due to a combination of factors, including overall health care costs rising more slowly than in the recent past.

news.yahoo.com...

Or if you like you can read the actual CBO Report..
Net costs dropped from prior estimates..
www.cbo.gov...



posted on Mar, 22 2012 @ 01:46 PM
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From Forbes magazine

Anti-Obamacare Forces Introduce Their Latest Effort To Mislead The Public



On Tuesday, the Congressional Budget Office released its 2012 estimate on the ten- year projected cost of the Affordable Care Act. Instantly, the anti-Obamacare crowd took to the airwaves and social media to proclaim that the numbers reveal the costs of the Affordable Care Act to be double what was promised when the law was passed.

Wow. That’s some scary stuff.

Good thing it is a complete and utter falsehood.

I suppose it should not come as a great surprise that the opponents of Obamacare would mobilize—given that the CBO report actually estimates a net decrease in the costs of health care reform totaling $51 billion when compared to last year’s estimates. The last thing those who oppose the law want is Candidate Obama running around the country talking about how the estimated cost of his landmark health care reform are actually going down.


www.forbes.com...



posted on Mar, 22 2012 @ 01:47 PM
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Healthcare costs rose 50% in the past 10 years alone. The evidence for the above is drenched with bias and agenda. We can tweak the bill if neccessary, but everyone that doesn't have a political agenda agrees that doing nothing is not an option any longer for the United States.


Well assuming "We" can tweak the bill ....
(sounds like you may have that power of suggestion within the ranks ?
are you a legislator ?)

What would "We" do ??

Start with the problems that already have been exposed.



posted on Mar, 22 2012 @ 02:03 PM
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The answer is to give the people an option to join a lower cost non-profit government run plan. Basically nothing would be different than what we are getting from private insurance except lower premiums. Same doctors, same reimbursement rates, same wages for medical office employees, very little difference all around. just a different and ideally more benevolent entity would be writing the checks. When you eliminate the profit and the costs of those whose sole purpose is to produce profit for the health insurance corporation, you can cut healthcare costs by 25% with ease. Negotiate drug prices and you save another 10%.

The argument is that the government will provide poor and expensive service. All factual evidence shows that isn't the case. Medicaire and the VA are much more efficient providers than the current private healthcare system. Most every developed socialized system has lower costs and better care than what we get from the private industry. When you eliminate profit and instead focus on the care of the patient everyone wins.



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