posted on Feb, 26 2012 @ 12:42 AM
and have we reached it?
I have begun to genuinely believe we have reached a point between the western world and the Islamic world where the animosity runs so deep and the
visions of the world are so different, that maybe the only way forward becomes for the destruction of one way of life so the other may prevail.
For the larger part, I think the conflict is one that has been picked by the west, by the corporations, governments, and collaborators who for the
interest of resources and wealth undermined the people of the region, who fomented radicalism, and have been at the root of instability that has led
to the indignation of people throughout the Muslim world, and most especially the middle east, but at some point, the question of conflict goes beyond
Justified or not, those portions of the world are becoming more radicalized each and every day, not just the potential, but the realization of attacks
have occurred with greater frequency, and they will continue. Some would argue this is because of the presence of western forces in their area, which
surely agitates many, but I wonder if leaving would change anything either.
The people who were killed, and who lost family members on both sides, they will not want to forgive. In honesty, given all that has been done, would
a withdrawal from that part of the world change anything? Perhaps in several generations, but with all the harm that has been done, I wonder if the
reprieve would just lead to a counter offensive.
In the old days, I think the world was a bigger place in terms of transportation as well as ideas. You could live and let live, because it was
halfway around the world, and people could disagree and get along. But now, where you legitimately have the power for a few people to destroy the
world, can you accept that risk?
It is terrible and inhumane to imagine the sort of war it would take to end such a conflict, but as I wrap my head around the question, I legitimately
wonder if it can be avoided, or if it can only be merely delayed. I think of how I would feel if what happened to places like Iraq and Afghanistan
happened to places like Arizona and Pennsylvania, places I've lived, and realize that while I might forgive, I know too many would not. And I
Furthermore, I realize that for the many terrible corruptions that exist in the west, of the shady dealings of power brokers in government and
financial sectors, and even accepting they deserve the greatest share of blame for this animosity, if the alternative was living under the rules that
Islam proposes, I'd rather fight to the last for myself or see the destruction of that world altogether.
I'm not a religious person by nature, and I enjoy thinking how I want. I imagine many people here feel likewise, and the world that has been pushed
into conflict with our own is radically different. We trained jihadists around the world, the American government, and we funded radical Islam both
directly and indirectly through our spending, and whatever comes, we cannot shirk responsibility. But, given all the mistakes made, I think again
that the only options available become terrible to countenance.
But when you ask the question honestly, and consider all the lives that will be lost, and consider the quality of lives remaining in terms of human
liberty, is inaction to contain this part of the world now going to lead to the destruction of not just our lives but our very way of life in the not
too distant future?
I want to believe that people are more rational than that, but when you have an ideology that celebrates death in many meaningful ways, when you have
people who have been pushed to their limits, and they have nothing left to lose and have access in some cases to very modern technology, I wonder if
we fool ourselves into thinking there is a choice.
I'm sure that many people will find this post distasteful, but I do not say it with hate or malice, but only with the reflection of how I would feel,
and how I see people being pushed (or manipulated) into a fight from which there just won't be time to back down. And if it comes to a total war,
which I start to believe it will, I don't think the west can afford to imagine the solution is as simple as regime change.
A war hasn't been fought by the west that involved destruction of the will to resist since probably WWII, and at a minimum this would require that to
have any chance of success, if the goal is to stop what will become a more viscious cycle each passing year. I fully agree with those who say we
might have avoided it had we never got involved, but as you can't go back, I ask you to consider how we really should go forward?